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From: bruce on 22 Aug 2006 23:54
has anyone changed over from a 2 plane swing to a one plane swing, and if so
how long did it take to change, and what benefits did you notice? Plus what
are some of the negatives do you have about the 1 plane?

I just changed over a week ago, and i love it.


From: blakestah on 23 Aug 2006 12:39

bruce wrote:
> has anyone changed over from a 2 plane swing to a one plane swing, and if so
> how long did it take to change, and what benefits did you notice? Plus what
> are some of the negatives do you have about the 1 plane?
>
> I just changed over a week ago, and i love it.

There is no two-plane swing.

There is a swing in which the arms and torso work together naturally,
formalized earliest and most clearly by Hogan.

Then there is a swing in which the arms cross the lines of the torso,
and a precise
series of compensations can allow decent shotmaking some of
the time.

-PA

From: David Laville on 23 Aug 2006 18:28
On 23 Aug 2006 09:39:53 -0700, blakestah(a)gmail.com wrote:

>There is no two-plane swing.

Yes there is and the majority of tour players use it. The club starts
on the plane of the club at address and shifts to a plane that runs
through the right shoulder position at the top.

However I have yet to see anyone use a one-plane swing and not even
Hardy teaches one. What he advocates is a single "plane angle" in
which the club stays parallel to the original plane established at
address but still shifts to another plane. To be a one-plane swing
the player would have to keep the club on the same plane established
at address.

>There is a swing in which the arms and torso work together naturally,
>formalized earliest and most clearly by Hogan.

The plane isn't defined by the arms and torso.

>Then there is a swing in which the arms cross the lines of the torso,
>and a precise
>series of compensations can allow decent shotmaking some of
>the time.



David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982
From: curtjester on 23 Aug 2006 18:43
bruce wrote:
> has anyone changed over from a 2 plane swing to a one plane swing, and if so
> how long did it take to change, and what benefits did you notice? Plus what
> are some of the negatives do you have about the 1 plane?
>
> I just changed over a week ago, and i love it.

I tend to use both of them. Short irons I like two plane because I
like the feeling of taking the club back with the clubhead in back of
the ball. The one plane is too hard to control for me on that aspect.
The one plane doesn't necessarily have to be real flat, and I try to
use it that way. All in all though, I think there are more aspects
worth concentrating on during the swing than being too absorbed about
plane.

CJ

From: Birdie Bill on 23 Aug 2006 20:31
David Laville wrote:
> On 23 Aug 2006 09:39:53 -0700, blakestah(a)gmail.com wrote:
>
> >There is no two-plane swing.
>
> Yes there is and the majority of tour players use it. The club starts
> on the plane of the club at address and shifts to a plane that runs
> through the right shoulder position at the top.
>
> However I have yet to see anyone use a one-plane swing and not even
> Hardy teaches one. What he advocates is a single "plane angle" in
> which the club stays parallel to the original plane established at
> address but still shifts to another plane. To be a one-plane swing
> the player would have to keep the club on the same plane established
> at address.
>
> >There is a swing in which the arms and torso work together naturally,
> >formalized earliest and most clearly by Hogan.
>
> The plane isn't defined by the arms and torso.
>
> >Then there is a swing in which the arms cross the lines of the torso,
> >and a precise
> >series of compensations can allow decent shotmaking some of
> >the time.

Hardy is careful about defining exactly what he means by "one plane"
and "two plane", and it isn't the definition that people commonly
assume.

I don't remember his definition exctly, but I think it is something
like: in a one plane swing the shoulders rotate on the same angle
as the clubshaft, and in a two plane system system they differ.
Clary can quote it better, since he's studied it more.

As long as you are willing to accept Hardy's definition, then there are
definitely one plane, and two plane swings. Hardy never pretends
that, in his definition of a one plane swing, that the clubshaft stays
in the same plane, mathematically speaking, throughout the swing.

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