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From: Carbon on 9 Mar 2010 17:39
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:11:51 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote:
> On Mar 8, 6:15 pm, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 05:48:23 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr
>> <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> So elderly people are supposed to be "given" health care so that
>>> they can pass on any wealth they have to their offspring? Why should
>>> I pay for someone else's inheritance?
>>
>> Infer what you want about the way things are "supposed to be".   But
>> start off by recognizing what is, and direct your efforts to what can
>> realistically be changed.
>
> Great point. Medicare is unsustainable in it's current form. People
> talk of what's fair and what's not fair. How is it fair for some hard
> working person to pay for the health care of some deadbeat?
>
> How is it fair for some younger, relatively poorer person trying to
> raise a family to pay for the health care of some older, relatively
> richer person with no dependents? Why shouldn't the young person have
> at least the same access to whatever wealth they generate as the older
> person did when they were the same age as the younger person?

The current system encourages people to play the health insurance
lottery. They're ahead as long as they don't get sick. If everyone paid
for healthcare with their taxes the currently uninsured would be
contributing. The way it is now, they often don't go to the doctor until
they're really sick with some potentially very expensive illness.
From: Carbon on 9 Mar 2010 22:53
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:01:39 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 18:02:33 -0800, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> The current system encourages people to play the health insurance
>>> lottery. They're ahead as long as they don't get sick. If everyone
>>> paid for healthcare with their taxes the currently uninsured would
>>> be contributing. The way it is now, they often don't go to the
>>> doctor until they're really sick with some potentially very
>>> expensive illness.
>>
>> Exactly what tax would you levy to make this happen?
>
> The proposal on the floor is to tax people who don't buy health
> insurance. It would be part of their income tax.

Works for me.
From: Carbon on 1 Apr 2010 19:36
On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 16:11:42 -0500, bknight wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 16:51:09 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
>> In article <clark-7EA3CB.08100401042010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
>> state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>>
>>> Why should the health care system try to charge such an outrageous
>>> amount in the first place?
>>
>> Because idiots like you come along and don't care what the cost is
>> you just care about getting your health care paid for with someone
>> else's money.
>>
> Responses like this are what make you look foolish Bert. How can you
> possibly think that a professional like Clark is getting care paid for
> by anyone else? He's obviously gainfully employed by OSU, ostensibly
> with medical coverage. You throw such trash out with no thought at
> all....but with amazing regularity.

It's all he knows how to do.
From: Carbon on 2 Apr 2010 16:31
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:57:33 -0400, BAR wrote:
> In article <clark-E06AA8.10274702042010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>
>> Bertie, ol' chap, you are swerving off your proverbial rocker once
>> again. I didn't get "charged" $16,500 for a hip prosthesis - my
>> insurance did. I pay the premiums so that they take care of such
>> things - you don't have a dog and bark yourself. it is really no skin
>> off my nose that they did, and it ends up that actually all the
>> people they insure under that plan pay for this in their premiums.
>> It's really a form of socialism.
>
> No Billy you were charged $16,500 for the hip prosthesis. Your
> insurance company was the contracted agent for processing and paying
> your bills. This is the problem the costs of medical care are too far
> removed from the person who incurs the medical care expense. If the
> doctor told you that the prosthesis was going to cost $16,500 before
> the surgery what would you have said?

That since the prosthesis probably only cost $500 to make, that it was
emblematic of the systemic corruption in the US healthcare system.
From: Carbon on 10 Apr 2010 21:33
On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:44:22 -0700, John B. wrote:
> On Apr 6, 7:19 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
>> In article <ddabe496-0fb4-4d2d-91f7-902be8ce4e92
>> @g10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says...
>>>
>>>>> Generally speaking, not owning a car is an inconvenience. Not
>>>>> having health insurance can wreck your life.
>>>>
>>>> How?
>>>
>>> Think about it.
>>
>> Be specific, remember according to you, Billy and Carbs I am an idiot
>> and I can't figure these things out all by myself.
>
> I've never said you were an idiot.

It's more like Bert's settled on an ideology and tries to force reality
to fit within it. Since he works so hard at not thinking, it's hard to
tell if he's actually capable of rational thought or not.
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