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From: Kommienezuspadt on 19 Oct 2009 19:38
"The moderator" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote in message
> "Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message
>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:06:31 -0400, "Frank Ketchum"
>> <nospam(a)thanksanyway.com> wrote:
>>>Why does this matter so much? Republicans have no power to stop any of
>>>legislation in the house, senate, or white house. Why does the left care
>>>much about what Republicans are doing when they don't need a single
>>>Republican vote to implement their policies?
>> In politics, perception is very important.
> That is how we ended up with Obama.
yes -- the voters were very perceptive -- they took one look at Bailin'
Palin and knew there was NO WAY.
From: assimilate on 19 Oct 2009 23:32
On 19-Oct-2009, "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> When you have lobbyists and special interest
> legislation there will be no free market. Libertarian
> ideas are just that, ideas. Not pragmatic. Perfection
> that gets in the way of the doable. Escapism, imo.
> They do need to be heard,though, but not treated as
> a realistic possibility, imo.
Like any ideals, they are goals to strive for. But you are right, man will
never have totally free markets.
From: gray asphalt on 20 Oct 2009 19:19
<assimilate(a)borg.org> wrote in message
> On 19-Oct-2009, "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> When you have lobbyists and special interest
>> legislation there will be no free market. Libertarian
>> ideas are just that, ideas. Not pragmatic. Perfection
>> that gets in the way of the doable. Escapism, imo.
>> They do need to be heard,though, but not treated as
>> a realistic possibility, imo.
> Like any ideals, they are goals to strive for. But you are right, man will
> never have totally free markets.
The markets are getting less free, no?
From: Jack Hollis on 20 Oct 2009 20:18
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:55:42 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur_Sr
>Good points, at least IMHO. One of the benefits of democracy is that
>you can get rid of govts if they get too corrupt. Not perfect, but
>better than any alternative.
Or, as Al Smith said, "The cure for the ills of democracy is more
From: Jack Hollis on 20 Oct 2009 20:30
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 05:28:07 GMT, john <john(a)somewhere.net> wrote:
>If you want to know where to start, try this: think about it. How to
>get an honest legislature and executive elected?
Step 1, ban all political contributions from any source.