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From: M L Wadsworth on 12 Mar 2010 05:53

"Paul Schmitz-Josten" <alossola(a)web.de> wrote in message
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>M L Wadsworth in <oeqdnSVG9NzeSgrWnZ2dnUVZ8kydnZ2d(a)bt.com>:
>
>>> Does this imply that provisional are possible after the (first) tee
>>> shots
>>> when there is no obligation to chose a ball?
>>
>>In my opinion, the logical answer must be yes.
>>A would play a provisional ball for his ball and B would play a
>>provisional
>>ball for his ball.
>
> No question when both balls may be lost; I was aiming at a situation with
> one ball affected - different judgement?
>
>>But we must remember we are making up our own Rules for Chapman Foursomes.
>
> This becomes clearer from minute to minute, though many will consider
> _their_ set of rules universally valid.
>
>>With reference to the US Patent :-)
>>- golfers in the USA have the awful habit of calling a four-ball a
>>foursome.
>
> This may have changed when I come to play there ;->
>
> Ciao,
>
> Paul

Paul,



The situation as I see it is this:

The two players are playing 4-ball for two strokes and then foursomes for
the remainder of the hole.

A player could either play a stroke from the teeing ground and then his
second stroke or,

He could play a stroke from the teeing ground plus a provisional ball and
then, if the original ball was found in bounds, make a second stroke at it
and lift/abandon the provisional ball.

If the original ball was lost or out of bounds, his second stroke was that
in putting his provisional ball into play (lying three because of the
penalty stroke for a lost ball).



The problems begin when the provisional ball fails to carry the distance of
the original ball and the player wishes to make a further stroke at the
provisional ball.

Should he do so and the provisional ball became his ball in play, he has
effectively selected his ball as the ball to continue the hole with, but the
second stroke at it should have been played by his partner.

The alternative is that the partner must make the second stroke at the
provisional ball, which would select it as the ball to continue the hole
with, should the original ball become a lost ball.



It would seem therefore that if a provisional ball is played following the
first stroke from the teeing ground, no further stroke should be made at
that provisional ball, otherwise it risks becoming the selected ball while
the partner's ball may well be in a better position after 2 strokes than the
player's provisional ball after 3 strokes (lying 4).



Malcolm


From: AS on 12 Mar 2010 06:29
M L Wadsworth wrote:

> The side's choices were:
>
> a) select B's ball;
>
> b) select A's ball;
>
> c) select A's ball but in case it becomes a ball lost or out of bounds,
> get B to drop and play a provisional ball at the spot where A played his
> second stroke.
>
> What actually happened was that the side delayed their selection until they
> saw the outcome of A's stroke at B's ball.
>

Well, since we're also talking practicalities here, with Saturday
morning traffic building up behind, I like 'c' the best as it removes
the (accidental) advantage gained. It won't happen again until next
year, by which time I shall have forgotten.

AS
From: Peter on 17 Mar 2010 18:45
On Mar 10, 10:30 am, "M L Wadsworth"
<CUTmalTHEcolmwadswo...(a)btintCACKLEernet.com> wrote:

> - golfers in the USA have the awful habit of calling a four-ball a foursome.

Yes, we do, and it's odious of us to do so. Trying to stop that
practice
is like trying to hold back a waterfall.
Same goes for calling a flagstick a flag, or a pin, or calling a
bunker a sand trap.
I've given up -- even mentioning it in casual rounds is enough to
start
unpleasantness.
Worse yet: US golfers call a spoon a 3-wood, a cleek a 2-iron, a
mashie a 5-iron,
a mashie-niblick a 7-iron, and a niblick a 9-iron. How gauche can it
get?
Oh, the shame!

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