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From: JohnO on 23 Dec 2009 00:37
On Dec 23, 3:22 pm, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...(a)bite.org>
wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:16:59 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1...(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Dec 23, 9:11 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...(a)bite.org>
> >wrote:
> >> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:16:47 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1...(a)gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >The most common situation encountered where the GPS wins is where you
> >> >have an obstruction such as trees between you and the shot target.
>
> >> Which seems to happen to me a lot.
>
> >Heh! Me too, until the trees grew higher and I got older and now I hit
> >into them rather than over them.
> > 
>
> >> >I used a GPS for a few years, then got the Pinseeker. I wouldn't go
> >> >back for all the ProV1's in Massachusetts.
>
> >> I thought you lived in OZ?  
>
> >WHAT?
>
> >I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, Mr Pflum, that you
> >inadvertently made a typo and meant 'NZ' not 'OZ', as I am sure you
> >would not be making the unspeakably grievous insult of calling me an
> >Australian!
>
> Oh, of course, it was a totally typo.  I would never associate the
> fine citizens of NZ with the sheep shaggers of Australia.  I mean,
> those people are just plain crazy.  Kind of like Canadians.  :-)  

Indeed!


From: newellsatwsu on 22 Dec 2009 19:36
On Dec 22, 2:16 pm, JohnO <johno1...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 23, 9:11 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...(a)bite.org>
> wrote:
> > >I used a GPS for a few years, then got the Pinseeker. I wouldn't go
> > >back for all the ProV1's in Massachusetts.
>
> > I thought you lived in OZ?  
>
> WHAT?
>
> I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, Mr Pflum, that you
> inadvertently made a typo and meant 'NZ' not 'OZ', as I am sure you
> would not be making the unspeakably grievous insult of calling me an
> Australian!

whoopsie. :-)

"There's Scotland, there's Ireland....there's the bloody sea!"
From: Dave Lee on 22 Dec 2009 20:49


"John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy(a)bite.org> wrote in message
news:5og2j5d2t9a241d9s58mr4n9ud5vgq0861(a)4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:19:22 -0500, "Dave Lee"
> <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy(a)bite.org> wrote in message
>>news:0i92j5ljjcm80f521rimk1b6l5n2m78eur(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:12:52 -0500, "Dave Lee"
>>> <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> SNIP
>>>
>>> Dave -- in regards to your points above:
>>>
>>> 1: I haven't seen cases where the GPS has been off substantially.
>>> Granted I haven't had the luxury of having a laser and another GPS to
>>> cross reference for accuracy.
>>>
>>> 2. At courses I frequent there are a fair number of hidden hazards.
>>> Or, more likely, I am having to punch out or lay up and I need to know
>>> how far it is to run out of fairway, etc.
>>>
>>> 3. For me distance to the pin doesn't really matter as much. I'm a
>>> 12.7 so knowing that pin is 148 or 145 won't affect my shot. For
>>> distances inside 100 yards I have a couple of "stock yardages" -- 105,
>>> 75, and 60. Other than that everything is feel based on the look of
>>> the shot and the club I want.
>>>
>>> The thing I love about the GPS is that I can glance at it to find the
>>> distance to the front, middle, and back of the green. That is really
>>> all the information I need to pull a club.
>>> --
>>SNIP
>>
>>John, one last comment. There really are two ways to approach intermediate
>>wedge shots and they are 'touch/feel' vs. 'what is the distance'. I would
>>rather know the exact distance (say 48 yards) to a totally blind target
>>(assuming that I do have the line) vs. having no distance info at all to a
>>target that I can fully see.
>
> If you had a laser how would you know you had 48 yards to a totally
> blind target? :-p.
> --

You wouldn't know. Just like if you had 48 yards to a visible target with a
GPS (you also wouldn't know). Laser vs. GPS - they solve different problems
(at different levels of accuracy).

dave

From: Dave Lee on 22 Dec 2009 20:57


"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy(a)bite.org> wrote in message
> news:5og2j5d2t9a241d9s58mr4n9ud5vgq0861(a)4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:19:22 -0500, "Dave Lee"
>> <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy(a)bite.org> wrote in message
>>>news:0i92j5ljjcm80f521rimk1b6l5n2m78eur(a)4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:12:52 -0500, "Dave Lee"
>>>> <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> SNIP
>>>>
>>>> Dave -- in regards to your points above:
>>>>
>>>> 1: I haven't seen cases where the GPS has been off substantially.
>>>> Granted I haven't had the luxury of having a laser and another GPS to
>>>> cross reference for accuracy.
>>>>
>>>> 2. At courses I frequent there are a fair number of hidden hazards.
>>>> Or, more likely, I am having to punch out or lay up and I need to know
>>>> how far it is to run out of fairway, etc.
>>>>
>>>> 3. For me distance to the pin doesn't really matter as much. I'm a
>>>> 12.7 so knowing that pin is 148 or 145 won't affect my shot. For
>>>> distances inside 100 yards I have a couple of "stock yardages" -- 105,
>>>> 75, and 60. Other than that everything is feel based on the look of
>>>> the shot and the club I want.
>>>>
>>>> The thing I love about the GPS is that I can glance at it to find the
>>>> distance to the front, middle, and back of the green. That is really
>>>> all the information I need to pull a club.
>>>> --
>>>SNIP
>>>
>>>John, one last comment. There really are two ways to approach
>>>intermediate
>>>wedge shots and they are 'touch/feel' vs. 'what is the distance'. I would
>>>rather know the exact distance (say 48 yards) to a totally blind target
>>>(assuming that I do have the line) vs. having no distance info at all to
>>>a
>>>target that I can fully see.
>>
>> If you had a laser how would you know you had 48 yards to a totally
>> blind target? :-p.
>> --
>
> You wouldn't know. Just like if you had 48 yards to a visible target with
> a GPS (you also wouldn't know). Laser vs. GPS - they solve different
> problems (at different levels of accuracy).
>
> dave

FWIW, I think that I can say with a reasonable assurance of being correct
that I have NEVER/EVER encountered a totally blind shot from inside 100
yards. Maybe I am wrong here, but I don't think so.

dave

From: John van der Pflum on 22 Dec 2009 21:18
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:57:39 -0500, "Dave Lee"
<DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:

>
>
>"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in message
>news:lsKdnXplNp2o6qzWnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com...
>>
>>
>> "John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy(a)bite.org> wrote in message
>> news:5og2j5d2t9a241d9s58mr4n9ud5vgq0861(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:19:22 -0500, "Dave Lee"
>>> <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy(a)bite.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:0i92j5ljjcm80f521rimk1b6l5n2m78eur(a)4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:12:52 -0500, "Dave Lee"
>>>>> <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> SNIP
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave -- in regards to your points above:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1: I haven't seen cases where the GPS has been off substantially.
>>>>> Granted I haven't had the luxury of having a laser and another GPS to
>>>>> cross reference for accuracy.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. At courses I frequent there are a fair number of hidden hazards.
>>>>> Or, more likely, I am having to punch out or lay up and I need to know
>>>>> how far it is to run out of fairway, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. For me distance to the pin doesn't really matter as much. I'm a
>>>>> 12.7 so knowing that pin is 148 or 145 won't affect my shot. For
>>>>> distances inside 100 yards I have a couple of "stock yardages" -- 105,
>>>>> 75, and 60. Other than that everything is feel based on the look of
>>>>> the shot and the club I want.
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing I love about the GPS is that I can glance at it to find the
>>>>> distance to the front, middle, and back of the green. That is really
>>>>> all the information I need to pull a club.
>>>>> --
>>>>SNIP
>>>>
>>>>John, one last comment. There really are two ways to approach
>>>>intermediate
>>>>wedge shots and they are 'touch/feel' vs. 'what is the distance'. I would
>>>>rather know the exact distance (say 48 yards) to a totally blind target
>>>>(assuming that I do have the line) vs. having no distance info at all to
>>>>a
>>>>target that I can fully see.
>>>
>>> If you had a laser how would you know you had 48 yards to a totally
>>> blind target? :-p.
>>> --
>>
>> You wouldn't know. Just like if you had 48 yards to a visible target with
>> a GPS (you also wouldn't know). Laser vs. GPS - they solve different
>> problems (at different levels of accuracy).
>>
>> dave
>
>FWIW, I think that I can say with a reasonable assurance of being correct
>that I have NEVER/EVER encountered a totally blind shot from inside 100
>yards. Maybe I am wrong here, but I don't think so.
>
>dave

I've played on some courses where the green is severely uphill and
thus those shots have been blind.
--
jvdp
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockpyle/3940732311/

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