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From: Carbon on 9 Sep 2009 18:01 On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:02:06 -0700, Alan Baker wrote: > In article <4aa7153a$0$5645$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:15:56 -0700, Alan Baker wrote: >>> In article <4aa70bf5$0$5635$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The Canadian system has its share of problems, as we both know. But >>>> having lived in both places, I believe it is a much better value >>>> than the US system. I pay though the nose for health insurance >>>> here. And for what? For the privilege of getting ripped off. >>> >>> Great. But you're getting drawn into a strawman argument. >> >> How so? > > Because this is about whether there should be change in U.S. health > care, and it is a moot point whether the Canadian system is good, bad > or sideways. That the dysfunctional US system needs to be changed is a given for most sane people. Some of the proposals out there propose making the US system more like the Canadian system, to varying degrees. So, it would seem like the Canadian system is relevant to the US healthcare discussion. Also, I hate all the propaganda from big healthcare being mindlessly repeated by everyone. Imagine, death panels in Canada! Everyone knows that panels don't float well enough and that we use ice floes.
From: Howard Brazee on 9 Sep 2009 18:06 On 09 Sep 2009 01:36:57 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >Point taken. However, the assumption above that the different fees were >for the same service. For example, I was recently charged $520 or so for >speaking to a doctor for about a minute, who provided no medical care. I >suppose this bill may be in line with normal US hospital markup. I'm not >an expert on this particular form of corruption, but it does seem an >outrageous rip-off to me. Especially considering what the cost in Canada >and in nearly every other first world country--$0.00. You almost had me until the last sentence. TANSSAAFL. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Carbon on 9 Sep 2009 18:03 On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 11:15:53 -0700, Dinosaur_Sr wrote: > On Sep 8, 8:36 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >> Point taken. However, the assumption above that the different fees >> were for the same service. For example, I was recently charged $520 >> or so for speaking to a doctor for about a minute, who provided no >> medical care. I suppose this bill may be in line with normal US >> hospital markup. I'm not an expert on this particular form of >> corruption, but it does seem an outrageous rip-off to me. Especially >> considering what the cost in Canada and in nearly every other first >> world country--$0.00. > > Wrong! In Canada you pay for the health care whether you see the > doctor or not. The money is taken out of your income before it even > gets to you. Correct! Your understanding of the concept of insurance is most excellent.
From: Howard Brazee on 9 Sep 2009 18:08 On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:15:53 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: >Wrong! In Canada you pay for the health care whether you see the >doctor or not. The money is taken out of your income before it even >gets to you. As we do in the U.S. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 9 Sep 2009 18:04
On Sep 9, 2:34 pm, DenaliDuffer <denaliduf...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 12, 10:18 pm, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote: > > > On 12-Aug-2009, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I'm an Obama supporter but ... > > > > 1. Why do all of the reforms have to be contained in one huge bill? > > > Because the real purpose is not reform in the true sense of the word, but > > expanding gov't control? > > > -- > > bill-o > > Please answer just this one question. What value do insurance > companies add to health care? Easy question, and I have answered it here before..so here it goes again! Insurance companies organize people into a pool whereby the risk of a substantial financial burden is spread amongst a number of individuals. Pretty simple. One thing we don't need from insurance companies is "preventative care". Individuals can pay for that themselves, although I have no problem subsidizing poor people seeking such care. We don't need the govt top provide preventative care either. In both cases the middle man of the insurance company or the govt adds a needless cost to the exercise. It's cheaper to walk in and pay the provider directly than to pay the govt or pay an insurance company to pay the provider for you. |