From: Carbon on
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:40:52 -0400, BAR wrote:
> In article <wclark2-513B7C.17363431072010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
>> In article <MPG.26be2a79e87bedb698a163(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR
>> <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
>>> In article <wclark2-479852.12420731072010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
>>> state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
>>>
>>>> So is Breitbart a deliberate liar or not? Simple moral question -
>>>> yes or no will do.
>>>
>>> Breitbart is a publisher and he made a business decision just like
>>> the NYT, WaPo and other media outlets.
>>>
>>> Judgement on Breitbart's using your moral question is irrelevant.
>>>
>>> Remember, government censor, businesses make decisions.
>>
>> So did he lie with the intention of misrepresenting the NAACP and Ms.
>> Sherrod or not? Simple question. Have the cojones to answer it.
>
> He made a business decision.

....to tell a lie.
From: Alan Baker on
In article <8bjv3hFufjU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
"dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:

> "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:wclark2-DBCC9B.17523931072010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > In article <8bj66lFm27U1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message
> > > news:MPG.26be08094943135398a15f(a)news.giganews.com...
> > >
> > > > And, superstition is more widely believed and adhered to around the
> > > > world than science.
> > >
> > > Ask any baseball player. Golfers too.
> > >
> > > -Greg
> >
> > No, their superstition does not contribute to their ability at the game,
> > just to how they calm their nerves.
>
> It's belief. I didn't claim there was in validity. It's a shot in the
> dark, like atheistic evolution.
>
> -Greg

LOL

Evolution is not atheistic or theistic, Greg. It simply is.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Don Kirkman on
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:49:02 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

>In article <38u856tig9v3mdq3orii3kae1vl4b74sgj(a)4ax.com>, donsno2
>@charter.net says...
>>
>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 13:39:17 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
>>
>> >You are a fool if you think that the Sec of Ag went off on his own and
>> >fired a black woman for speaking at an NAACP event without consulting
>> >the White House and the DOJ first. Vislack didn't appoint Sherrod and he
>> >sure as hell wasn't going to fire her without getting permission.
>>
>> It wasn't even about *speaking* at an NAACP event--it was about
>> accepting Breitbart's cherry-picked snippet as believable evidence
>> that Sherrod was racist. Almost nobody did due diligence on the
>> episode, but Breitbart didn't even intend to.
>
>Why was Sherrod pushed out of Ag?
>
>It was a knee jerk reaction by the Obama administration with the
>knowledge of Obama and the DOJ. Political appointees serve at the
>pleasure of the president due to the fact that they are appointed by the
>president. Obama doesn't need to perform due dillegence on Sherrod. He
>can just say her services are no longer needed and it would be better if
>her resume didn't say she was fired.

You must have some very good sources--you know so much more about how
it went down than anyone else seems to.

Yes, a knee jerk reaction " by the Obama administration", which is all
that anyone, including you, knows.

"Due diligence" has nothing to do with Obama's relationship to
Sherrod, it has to do with confirming facts before making judgments or
decisions. You could look it up, as Casey S. used to say.

>The DOJ just confirmed that political or patronage position like US
>attornies can be fired at any time for any reason. Sherrod was a
>political problem for Obama and the Democrats just like Rangel and
>Waters are now problems for Obama and the Democrats. But, Obama can't
>fire Rangel or Waters, however, Obama can come out and effectively say
>that he hopes that Rangel enjoys his retirement from public service. The
>question will be whether Rangel and Waters fall on their swords and take
>one for the team, the Democrat team.

The legal facts are not at issue, because they are beside the point
here--and who would have to wait for a DOJ confirmation of the legal
position? It's standard practice and common knowledge for most
Americans.

As it turned out, Sherrod was NOT a political problem for Obama, as
the quick turnabouts made clear. And the quick turnabouts were
necessary because of only two things: Bartbreit's mendacious
tampering with the video and the failure of due diligence on the part
of the press and the administration.
--
Don Kirkman
donsno2(a)charter.net
From: Alan Baker on
In article <MPG.26be9aab4c6257d298a16b(a)news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

> In article <wclark2-513B7C.17363431072010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> >
> > In article <MPG.26be2a79e87bedb698a163(a)news.giganews.com>,
> > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <wclark2-479852.12420731072010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> > > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> > > >
> > > > In article <MPG.26bd1fd6d79af2ab98a156(a)news.giganews.com>,
> > > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In article <aij6569cpam0ad72mac777mo5cqji2gjen(a)4ax.com>,
> > > > > bknight(a)conramp.net says...
> > > > > > >> The White House has apologized. Breitbart, who started the
> > > > > > >> mess,
> > > > > > >> hasn't. He's an idiot.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Has every press outlet apologized for each and every mistake they
> > > > > > >have
> > > > > > >ever made? No.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for admitting he made a mistake.
> > > > >
> > > > > I made no such admission. I asked a question and answered the
> > > > > question.
> > > > >
> > > > > > >Stop acting like a spoiled child.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wanting someone to own up is acting like a spoiled child?
> > > > > > Oh, its Bert. I forgot.
> > > > >
> > > > > You are forgetting that the press cherry picks bits and pieces of
> > > > > interviews and videos to bias what they present each and every day.
> > > > > The
> > > > > fact that you won't admit that this SOP is laughable.
> > > >
> > > > So is Breitbart a deliberate liar or not? Simple moral question - yes
> > > > or
> > > > no will do.
> > >
> > > Breitbart is a publisher and he made a business decision just like the
> > > NYT, WaPo and other media outlets.
> > >
> > > Judgement on Breitbart's using your moral question is irrelevant.
> > >
> > > Remember, government censor, businesses make decisions.
> >
> > So did he lie with the intention of misrepresenting the NAACP and Ms.
> > Sherrod or not? Simple question. Have the cojones to answer it.
>
> He made a business decision.

So you *don't* have the cojones.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: BAR on
In article <4c54ee80$0$4970$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:40:52 -0400, BAR wrote:
> > In article <wclark2-513B7C.17363431072010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> >> In article <MPG.26be2a79e87bedb698a163(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR
> >> <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> >>> In article <wclark2-479852.12420731072010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> >>> state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> >>>
> >>>> So is Breitbart a deliberate liar or not? Simple moral question -
> >>>> yes or no will do.
> >>>
> >>> Breitbart is a publisher and he made a business decision just like
> >>> the NYT, WaPo and other media outlets.
> >>>
> >>> Judgement on Breitbart's using your moral question is irrelevant.
> >>>
> >>> Remember, government censor, businesses make decisions.
> >>
> >> So did he lie with the intention of misrepresenting the NAACP and Ms.
> >> Sherrod or not? Simple question. Have the cojones to answer it.
> >
> > He made a business decision.
>
> ...to tell a lie.

Sherrod's own words are not a lie.
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