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From: BAR on 12 Apr 2010 18:48 In article <clark-6115F4.14175812042010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > Billy, I have told you numerous times that you are free to set up a > > charity and solicit money from others who think and believe like you. > > You will then be free to redistribute that money to your hearts desire > > to help those you believe need help. This can be accomplished without > > any government intervention. > > > > The problem you will soon find is that those who think and believe like > > you are unwilling to part with their own money. These believers want to > > implement schemes and laws that force those who disagree with them to be > > compelled to part with their money to fund the believers causes. > > Then why is it unreasonable to expect others to do their part to help > the less fortunate? The colective will far surpasses individual efforts. > I would rather do that than have my money going to subsidize your > childrens' education, for example, as it does now, but you don't seem to > have a problem with forcing others to pay for that. If the "others" jumped off of a cliff would you jump off the cliff too. Why do you have to be a follower, why can't you be an individual or a leader? You are pathetic.
From: dene on 12 Apr 2010 20:39 "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message news:clark-6115F4.14175812042010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > Then why is it unreasonable to expect others to do their part to help > the less fortunate? The colective will far surpasses individual efforts. > I would rather do that than have my money going to subsidize your > childrens' education, for example, as it does now, but you don't seem to > have a problem with forcing others to pay for that. Karl Marx couldn't have said that any better..... -Greg
From: dene on 12 Apr 2010 20:43 <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message news:aim6s5l7fn651msotav5ppka25f28534tm(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:35:19 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> > wrote: > > > > >"Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote in message > > >> > Or how about you get > >> > what you can earn...and the govt helps out people in legitimate > >> > need...but no universality to any entitlement. > >> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > That's the system in place now, Rob. Part D is not an entitlement. It's > >> > VOLUNTARY. For example, BK chose to not enroll and that's his right. He > >> > will be penalized if he enrolls later. > > Isn't Part D going away in the future? Not to my knowledge. The "donut hole" is being filled with Obama-Care, which IMO, is an overextension of the bill's reach. > >I have no choice, and you know it. I have to pay into medicare, even > >though I am convinced there will be nothing left of it when I retire. > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >And when it's time to collect, you will. > > > >-Greg > > > > Sure he will, but in the meantime it seems that he doesn't like other > people collecting. > > Seriously Greg, I appreciate your trying to educate some of the ultra > rights like Bert and Rob about the healthcare situation. It shows > that you don't just do the ovine tap dance as they do. > > BK Thanks. It's the one thing I do know a little something about. However, I'm not completely happy with O-Care. It would have been much better had the States been given the freedom to exercise reform on their own, like Mass. did. But time is running out and O-Care is all we have. -Greg
From: John B. on 12 Apr 2010 20:44 On Apr 12, 6:48 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <clark-6115F4.14175812042...(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > > > Billy, I have told you numerous times that you are free to set up a > > > charity and solicit money from others who think and believe like you. > > > You will then be free to redistribute that money to your hearts desire > > > to help those you believe need help. This can be accomplished without > > > any government intervention. > > > > The problem you will soon find is that those who think and believe like > > > you are unwilling to part with their own money. These believers want to > > > implement schemes and laws that force those who disagree with them to be > > > compelled to part with their money to fund the believers causes. > > > Then why is it unreasonable to expect others to do their part to help > > the less fortunate? The colective will far surpasses individual efforts.. > > I would rather do that than have my money going to subsidize your > > childrens' education, for example, as it does now, but you don't seem to > > have a problem with forcing others to pay for that. > > If the "others" jumped off of a cliff would you jump off the cliff too. > Why do you have to be a follower, why can't you be an individual or a > leader? > > You are pathetic. If others jumped off a cliff, I'd hope you were one of them.
From: William Clark on 13 Apr 2010 08:20
In article <MPG.262d6d535c0f368b989ddb(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <clark-6115F4.14175812042010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > Billy, I have told you numerous times that you are free to set up a > > > charity and solicit money from others who think and believe like you. > > > You will then be free to redistribute that money to your hearts desire > > > to help those you believe need help. This can be accomplished without > > > any government intervention. > > > > > > The problem you will soon find is that those who think and believe like > > > you are unwilling to part with their own money. These believers want to > > > implement schemes and laws that force those who disagree with them to be > > > compelled to part with their money to fund the believers causes. > > > > Then why is it unreasonable to expect others to do their part to help > > the less fortunate? The colective will far surpasses individual efforts. > > I would rather do that than have my money going to subsidize your > > childrens' education, for example, as it does now, but you don't seem to > > have a problem with forcing others to pay for that. > > If the "others" jumped off of a cliff would you jump off the cliff too. > Why do you have to be a follower, why can't you be an individual or a > leader? > > You are pathetic. Well, others did "jump off a cliff" when they decided to use their (and my) tax dollars to get embroiled in two pointless wars that have cost thousands of lives. Just as you don't want your taxes to pay for the less fortunate, I equally opposes using them to pay a) the more fortunate (tax breaks for the very rich), and b) to get involved in unjustifiable wars on the basis of lies. But you just don't see it, do you? |