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From: dene on 7 May 2010 13:29 <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message news:drh8u59h4kghrhlr5lvovl8n080ksckc7n(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 7 May 2010 09:52:05 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> > wrote: > > > > ><bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > >news:tre8u517glo059bbbndn6o05ofppcm0qmg(a)4ax.com... > >> On Fri, 7 May 2010 09:00:25 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> ><bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > >> >news:oi48u5lepg7vmo2ed396ibac51c81asftp(a)4ax.com... > >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2010 08:05:30 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >Leftys don't want borders. > >> >> > > >> >> Why do you make such statements???? > >> >> > >> >> There's too much "righty", "lefty" bullshit being thrown around, just > >> >> disparaging epithets tossed out at anyone who disagrees with another's > >> >> thoughts . Everything isn't dependent on political thought. > >> >> > >> >> I don't know anyone that doesn't want to see the influx of illegal's > >> >> contained. Absolutely no one, and I'll bet that you can't come up > >> >> with anyone either. > >> >> > >> >> The problem is way to complicated for the simplistic pap that's > >> >> proposed here though. > >> > > >> >Ok. What are your ideas to "contain" the problem? > >> > > >> >-Greg > >> > > >> I'm smart enough to know that I don't have the answers. > >> > >> BK > > > >Then why ridicule the intelligence of those who present their ideas? > > > >-Greg > > When someone suggests murdering, or raping, an illegal alien they put > themselves up for ridicule. You have to be looking for an argument to > even question that. > > The simple fixes are laughable, but if you buy them ... go for it. No > one here has a workable answer. I think the Az. law is a good start. -Greg
From: bknight on 7 May 2010 13:26 On Fri, 07 May 2010 10:07:31 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >In article <pdh8u51hjtqck6u02ngmie5man0v822pv1(a)4ax.com>, > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > >> On Fri, 07 May 2010 09:42:28 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> >> wrote: >> >> >In article <muf8u51phqasbvjgjo7g0js016enqqugn6(a)4ax.com>, >> > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: >> > >> >> On Fri, 07 May 2010 09:19:33 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >In article <nve8u51igl1c24u0frf9uq4hm6sp1egqf6(a)4ax.com>, >> >> > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: >> >> >> >> >> I agree with Greg on this. Marijuana is one thing for which I support >> >> >> legalization. The hard stuff...no. If heroin or cocaine was legal >> >> >> there would be a ton of ordinary people trying it that would never do >> >> >> so if there were legal consequences. If you think that DUI is bad >> >> >> with alcohol is bad........and that's just the tip of the iceberg. >> >> >> >> >> >> BK >> >> > >> >> >So punish people WHEN THE ACTUALLY DO HARM TO OTHERS. >> >> >> >> So open the flood gate of legal drugs TO MILLIONS WHO MIGHT THEN DO >> >> HARM TO OTHERS. >> > >> >"Might" is not "will". >> > >> OK then. So open the flood gate of legal drugs TO THOUSANDS WHO WILL >> THEN DO HARM TO OTHERS. > >Sorry, but that's the way our society is supposed to work. That's really silly Alan. Our society is supposed to offer as much safety to its people as possible. Otherwise there would be few laws and anarchy would prevail. > >And most of the harm that is done by drug users is done BECAUSE THEY ARE >ILLEGAL > So if it was legalized there would be more users, ergo there would be more harm. Christ, have you stopped thinking before you post? >> >> >The most basic tenet of our society is the freedom to do what each of us >> >wants to pursue happiness. It's only when our behaviour *actually* harms >> >others that it is supposed to have limits imposed upon it. >> >> The most basic tenet of our society is keeping us safe from those who >> would bring harm to us. When your happiness puts me at risk it is a >> basic wrong. Period. > >But only when it does. Then you don't think its wrong to drink and drive unless it harms someone? Now you're reaching. > >> >> It's insane to give such freedom when you are assured that it will, in >> fact, cause harm to others. Your opinion would be different if a >> loved one was killed by someone driving a car while high on cocaine. >> If not, you're certainly in the minority. > >Sorry, but why haven't we prohibited alcohol again? That's a problem of economics and politics. You just bolstered my opinion though. Most of those who now abuse alcohol would probably use hard drugs if they were legal. BK
From: bknight on 7 May 2010 13:30 On Fri, 07 May 2010 10:12:46 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >In article <84ivubF8jdU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: >> >> I've had two friends die from drugs. One with coke, one meth. Our society >> would end as we know it if these drugs were ever legalized. > >What complete and utter bullshit.. Why is it bullshit? Of course our society would change....drastically. That's the same as "end as we know it". BK
From: John B. on 7 May 2010 14:43 On May 7, 12:19 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article <nve8u51igl1c24u0frf9uq4hm6sp1eg...(a)4ax.com>, > > > > bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > On Fri, 7 May 2010 09:10:14 -0700, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> > > wrote: > > > >"Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > >news:alangbaker-37FBCB.08595907052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > >> In article <ZpWEn.49$Ak3...(a)newsfe16.iad>, > > >> "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > > > >> > >> Legalizing drugs is far from a conservative stance, Bobby. Very > > >liberal > > >> > >> indeed. > > > >> > > Actually, it is hard-core libertarian. > > > >> > True, which explains why I support it. > > > >> As do I. > > > >Uh huh. > > > >-Greg > > > I agree with Greg on this. Marijuana is one thing for which I support > > legalization. The hard stuff...no. If heroin or cocaine was legal > > there would be a ton of ordinary people trying it that would never do > > so if there were legal consequences. If you think that DUI is bad > > with alcohol is bad........and that's just the tip of the iceberg. > > > BK > > So punish people WHEN THE ACTUALLY DO HARM TO OTHERS. > > -- > Alan Baker > Vancouver, British Columbia > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> Right! Let people drive drunk and only arrest them if they get in a wreck and maim or kill somebody!
From: John B. on 7 May 2010 14:51
On May 7, 1:12 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article <84ivubF8j...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > >news:pdh8u51hjtqck6u02ngmie5man0v822pv1(a)4ax.com... > > > On Fri, 07 May 2010 09:42:28 -0700, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> > > > wrote: > > > >>In article <muf8u51phqasbvjgjo7g0js016enqqu...(a)4ax.com>, > > >> bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > >>> On Fri, 07 May 2010 09:19:33 -0700, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> >In article <nve8u51igl1c24u0frf9uq4hm6sp1eg...(a)4ax.com>, > > >>> > bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > >>> >> I agree with Greg on this. Marijuana is one thing for which I > > >>> >> support > > >>> >> legalization. The hard stuff...no. If heroin or cocaine was legal > > >>> >> there would be a ton of ordinary people trying it that would never do > > >>> >> so if there were legal consequences. If you think that DUI is bad > > >>> >> with alcohol is bad........and that's just the tip of the iceberg. > > > >>> >> BK > > > >>> >So punish people WHEN THE ACTUALLY DO HARM TO OTHERS. > > > >>> So open the flood gate of legal drugs TO MILLIONS WHO MIGHT THEN DO > > >>> HARM TO OTHERS. > > > >>"Might" is not "will". > > > > OK then. So open the flood gate of legal drugs TO THOUSANDS WHO WILL > > > THEN DO HARM TO OTHERS. > > > >>The most basic tenet of our society is the freedom to do what each of us > > >>wants to pursue happiness. It's only when our behaviour *actually* harms > > >>others that it is supposed to have limits imposed upon it. > > > > The most basic tenet of our society is keeping us safe from those who > > > would bring harm to us. When your happiness puts me at risk it is a > > > basic wrong. Period. > > > > It's insane to give such freedom when you are assured that it will, in > > > fact, cause harm to others. Your opinion would be different if a > > > loved one was killed by someone driving a car while high on cocaine. > > > If not, you're certainly in the minority. > > > > BK > > > I've had two friends die from drugs. One with coke, one meth. Our society > > would end as we know it if these drugs were ever legalized. > > What complete and utter bullshit.. > Well, gosh, that's a compelling argument. |