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From: dene on 7 May 2010 01:56 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4be38d53$0$18442$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > I really admire your simplistic worldview. Anyway, statistically there > are costs to society that undocumented workers incur. You are correct > that emergency healthcare is definitely one of those costs. On the other > hand, a large percentage of them pay taxes and SS and all kinds of other > things for benefits they cannot legally receive. They save billions for > their employers, which saves money for everyone else when they buy > goods. > > There are negatives. But there are also positives. To just declare that > everything about illegal immigration is bad demonstrates that you don't > even know how to think about the issue. How do you know they are paying taxes? Judging by the crowds of Hispanics at a bank on a Friday afternoon, most are being paid in checks or even cash. Those who employ them are not paying payroll taxes, instead compensating them as independent contractors. Given this, why would these illegals file a tax return? -Greg
From: Don Kirkman on 7 May 2010 02:27 On Thu, 06 May 2010 20:52:35 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote: >On Wed, 05 May 2010 19:17:49 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> >wrote: >>Look at history, hatred of immigrants is very, very common - whether >>or not they are "illegal". A century ago, the claim was that we >>couldn't have Americans who were papists. But it was the same thing >>- they didn't act like "Americans", and they took jobs. We're not >>as mad now because we don't want the low skill jobs. But we feel >>threatened anyway. >>That's the claim - and people like my wife even believe it when they >>claim it. But I think they are fooling themselves. >There's no doubt that anti illegal sentiment has been around to some >degree for a long time, but never to the point that legal immigration >was stopped. Have you forgotten the Chinese exclusion law of 1882 and the addition of Japanese exclusion in 1913 and 1924? Those laws were in effect to some extent or another until the 1950s. San Francisco almost started a US war with Japan over the issue in 1906 until Teddy Roosevelt worked out a (temporary) agreement, an agreement which sharply limited Japanese entry to the US, and Japanese immigration was totally cut off in 1924. Both Chinese and Japanese immigrants were denied naturalization until after WW II. "From 1882 until 1943, most Chinese immigrants were barred from entering the United States. The Chinese Exclusion Act was the nation's first law to ban immigration by race or nationality. All Chinese people--except travelers, merchants, teachers, students, and those born in the United States--were barred from entering the country. Federal law prohibited Chinese residents, no matter how long they had legally worked in the United States, from becoming naturalized citizens." http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/database/article_display.cfm?HHID=419 -- Don Kirkman donsno2(a)charter.net
From: BAR on 7 May 2010 07:20 In article <6e318b69-9e81-4041-b6bb-f0781698b645 @e35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > On May 6, 6:23�pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > In article <ac09e4e5-0f23-446d-8b62- > > 6c139ab82...(a)o8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > This is not a simple matter of what one does to oneself. Drug addicts > > > impose costs on society. They commit crimes to get money for drugs. > > > They can't hold jobs. They go on welfare. They get sick and require > > > medical care they can't pay for. They have children that they can't > > > properly care for and those children grow up to be screw-ups who > > > impose further costs on society. > > > > You have just described the burden that illegal aliens place upon the > > citizens of the USA. > > That's ridiculous, but why would we expect anything different from you? Why is it ridiculous? Illegals come here and obtain services for free. They never pay in but they take out and some are even granted social security even though they don't qualify. Why should my social security being going to an illegal alien who was here illegally? Why should my taxes pay for other services illegal aliens receive just because we don't have the political will to ship them back home.
From: BAR on 7 May 2010 07:23 In article <4be38d53$0$18442$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Thu, 06 May 2010 20:04:05 -0700, kenpitts wrote: > > On May 6, 8:52�pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, 06 May 2010 18:33:37 -0700, kenpitts wrote: > >>> On May 6, 8:21�pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> They are a huge burden in communities along the border. Their > >>>> presence here has no appreciable effect on the national economy. > >>>> > >>>> Finding them all, confirming their status and sending them all back > >>>> would cost hundreds of billions of dollars. > >>> > >>> I would bet the ranch California's economic crisis would be far less > >>> without all the illegal aliens. > >> > >> Really? How do you imagine that? > > > > You can't really be that stupid. Just a KoolAid drinker who thinks > > that state and federal governments are unlimited sources of money to > > be spent in Robin Hood fashion. California has spent themselves into > > oblivion and a big chunk of that has been spent on the millions of of > > illegals that are there. Prisons, health care, schools and all the > > rest. > > I really admire your simplistic worldview. Anyway, statistically there > are costs to society that undocumented workers incur. You are correct > that emergency healthcare is definitely one of those costs. On the other > hand, a large percentage of them pay taxes and SS and all kinds of other > things for benefits they cannot legally receive. They save billions for > their employers, which saves money for everyone else when they buy > goods. > > There are negatives. But there are also positives. To just declare that > everything about illegal immigration is bad demonstrates that you don't > even know how to think about the issue. If you stopped smoking dope you might be able to figure out if you are a liberal or a conservative.
From: BAR on 7 May 2010 07:24
In article <84ho50Fmb1U1(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com says... > > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4be38d53$0$18442$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > > I really admire your simplistic worldview. Anyway, statistically there > > are costs to society that undocumented workers incur. You are correct > > that emergency healthcare is definitely one of those costs. On the other > > hand, a large percentage of them pay taxes and SS and all kinds of other > > things for benefits they cannot legally receive. They save billions for > > their employers, which saves money for everyone else when they buy > > goods. > > > > There are negatives. But there are also positives. To just declare that > > everything about illegal immigration is bad demonstrates that you don't > > even know how to think about the issue. > > How do you know they are paying taxes? Judging by the crowds of Hispanics > at a bank on a Friday afternoon, most are being paid in checks or even cash. > Those who employ them are not paying payroll taxes, instead compensating > them as independent contractors. Given this, why would these illegals file > a tax return? How is the IRS going to come after them when they have no fixed address. |