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From: MNMikeW on 7 May 2010 13:09 "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message news:84iutuF24cU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > news:nve8u51igl1c24u0frf9uq4hm6sp1egqf6(a)4ax.com... >> On Fri, 7 May 2010 09:10:14 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message >> >news:alangbaker-37FBCB.08595907052010(a)news.shawcable.com... >> >> In article <ZpWEn.49$Ak3.47(a)newsfe16.iad>, >> >> "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: >> >> >> > >> Legalizing drugs is far from a conservative stance, Bobby. Very >> >liberal >> >> > >> indeed. >> >> > > >> >> > > Actually, it is hard-core libertarian. >> >> > >> >> > True, which explains why I support it. >> >> >> >> As do I. >> > >> >Uh huh. >> > >> >-Greg >> > >> >> I agree with Greg on this. Marijuana is one thing for which I support >> legalization. The hard stuff...no. If heroin or cocaine was legal >> there would be a ton of ordinary people trying it that would never do >> so if there were legal consequences. If you think that DUI is bad >> with alcohol is bad........and that's just the tip of the iceberg. >> >> BK > > Exactly. I have a former client/friend who was a successful businessman, > church elder, and family man. He tried Meth once and was immediately > hooked > and consumed by it. Sold the business to support his habit. Beat his > wife > and was imprisoned for it, losing all contact with his children. > Released....went to Mexico to resume his addiction and was murdered in a > drug deal gone bad. > > Nobody can know for certain what our triggers are until they are pulled. > By > keeping the hard stuff illegal, it helps responsible people to not be > "tempted beyond what they are able to resist." Also, it punishes those > who > exploit these weaknesses. > > -Greg > > I think meth is by far the worst drug out there, bar none. Anyone who would think about legalizing this is brain dead.
From: MNMikeW on 7 May 2010 13:11 <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message news:pdh8u51hjtqck6u02ngmie5man0v822pv1(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 07 May 2010 09:42:28 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > wrote: > >>In article <muf8u51phqasbvjgjo7g0js016enqqugn6(a)4ax.com>, >> bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 07 May 2010 09:19:33 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >In article <nve8u51igl1c24u0frf9uq4hm6sp1egqf6(a)4ax.com>, >>> > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: >>> >>> >> I agree with Greg on this. Marijuana is one thing for which I >>> >> support >>> >> legalization. The hard stuff...no. If heroin or cocaine was legal >>> >> there would be a ton of ordinary people trying it that would never do >>> >> so if there were legal consequences. If you think that DUI is bad >>> >> with alcohol is bad........and that's just the tip of the iceberg. >>> >> >>> >> BK >>> > >>> >So punish people WHEN THE ACTUALLY DO HARM TO OTHERS. >>> >>> So open the flood gate of legal drugs TO MILLIONS WHO MIGHT THEN DO >>> HARM TO OTHERS. >> >>"Might" is not "will". >> > OK then. So open the flood gate of legal drugs TO THOUSANDS WHO WILL > THEN DO HARM TO OTHERS. > >>The most basic tenet of our society is the freedom to do what each of us >>wants to pursue happiness. It's only when our behaviour *actually* harms >>others that it is supposed to have limits imposed upon it. > > The most basic tenet of our society is keeping us safe from those who > would bring harm to us. When your happiness puts me at risk it is a > basic wrong. Period. > > It's insane to give such freedom when you are assured that it will, in > fact, cause harm to others. Your opinion would be different if a > loved one was killed by someone driving a car while high on cocaine. > If not, you're certainly in the minority. > > BK I've had two friends die from drugs. One with coke, one meth. Our society would end as we know it if these drugs were ever legalized.
From: Alan Baker on 7 May 2010 13:12 In article <84ivubF8jdU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > news:pdh8u51hjtqck6u02ngmie5man0v822pv1(a)4ax.com... > > On Fri, 07 May 2010 09:42:28 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > > wrote: > > > >>In article <muf8u51phqasbvjgjo7g0js016enqqugn6(a)4ax.com>, > >> bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > >> > >>> On Fri, 07 May 2010 09:19:33 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> >In article <nve8u51igl1c24u0frf9uq4hm6sp1egqf6(a)4ax.com>, > >>> > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > >>> > >>> >> I agree with Greg on this. Marijuana is one thing for which I > >>> >> support > >>> >> legalization. The hard stuff...no. If heroin or cocaine was legal > >>> >> there would be a ton of ordinary people trying it that would never do > >>> >> so if there were legal consequences. If you think that DUI is bad > >>> >> with alcohol is bad........and that's just the tip of the iceberg. > >>> >> > >>> >> BK > >>> > > >>> >So punish people WHEN THE ACTUALLY DO HARM TO OTHERS. > >>> > >>> So open the flood gate of legal drugs TO MILLIONS WHO MIGHT THEN DO > >>> HARM TO OTHERS. > >> > >>"Might" is not "will". > >> > > OK then. So open the flood gate of legal drugs TO THOUSANDS WHO WILL > > THEN DO HARM TO OTHERS. > > > >>The most basic tenet of our society is the freedom to do what each of us > >>wants to pursue happiness. It's only when our behaviour *actually* harms > >>others that it is supposed to have limits imposed upon it. > > > > The most basic tenet of our society is keeping us safe from those who > > would bring harm to us. When your happiness puts me at risk it is a > > basic wrong. Period. > > > > It's insane to give such freedom when you are assured that it will, in > > fact, cause harm to others. Your opinion would be different if a > > loved one was killed by someone driving a car while high on cocaine. > > If not, you're certainly in the minority. > > > > BK > > I've had two friends die from drugs. One with coke, one meth. Our society > would end as we know it if these drugs were ever legalized. What complete and utter bullshit.. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Don Kirkman on 7 May 2010 13:23 On Fri, 07 May 2010 11:17:30 -0500, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: >On Fri, 7 May 2010 09:10:14 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> >wrote: >>"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message >>news:alangbaker-37FBCB.08595907052010(a)news.shawcable.com... >>> In article <ZpWEn.49$Ak3.47(a)newsfe16.iad>, >>> "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: >>> > >> Legalizing drugs is far from a conservative stance, Bobby. Very >>liberal >>> > >> indeed. >I agree with Greg on this. Marijuana is one thing for which I support >legalization. The hard stuff...no. If heroin or cocaine was legal >there would be a ton of ordinary people trying it that would never do >so if there were legal consequences. If you think that DUI is bad >with alcohol is bad........and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Actually, in the late 18th century before the US drug laws outlawed it, morphine was widely used among middle class professionals. Doctors and nurses may have been using it in greater numbers than other groups. Some well-known medical professionals of the time were addicted--and no effect on their work was ever noticed by their peers. I can't put my fingers on the paper I wrote forty years ago proposing legalization (as England had already done) to provide names and citations , but the situation is far more complex that most people want to believe.. -- Don Kirkman donsno2(a)charter.net
From: dene on 7 May 2010 13:28
"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-802EDC.10124607052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > In article <84ivubF8jdU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > > news:pdh8u51hjtqck6u02ngmie5man0v822pv1(a)4ax.com... > > > On Fri, 07 May 2010 09:42:28 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > >>In article <muf8u51phqasbvjgjo7g0js016enqqugn6(a)4ax.com>, > > >> bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > > >> > > >>> On Fri, 07 May 2010 09:19:33 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> >In article <nve8u51igl1c24u0frf9uq4hm6sp1egqf6(a)4ax.com>, > > >>> > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > > >>> > > >>> >> I agree with Greg on this. Marijuana is one thing for which I > > >>> >> support > > >>> >> legalization. The hard stuff...no. If heroin or cocaine was legal > > >>> >> there would be a ton of ordinary people trying it that would never do > > >>> >> so if there were legal consequences. If you think that DUI is bad > > >>> >> with alcohol is bad........and that's just the tip of the iceberg. > > >>> >> > > >>> >> BK > > >>> > > > >>> >So punish people WHEN THE ACTUALLY DO HARM TO OTHERS. > > >>> > > >>> So open the flood gate of legal drugs TO MILLIONS WHO MIGHT THEN DO > > >>> HARM TO OTHERS. > > >> > > >>"Might" is not "will". > > >> > > > OK then. So open the flood gate of legal drugs TO THOUSANDS WHO WILL > > > THEN DO HARM TO OTHERS. > > > > > >>The most basic tenet of our society is the freedom to do what each of us > > >>wants to pursue happiness. It's only when our behaviour *actually* harms > > >>others that it is supposed to have limits imposed upon it. > > > > > > The most basic tenet of our society is keeping us safe from those who > > > would bring harm to us. When your happiness puts me at risk it is a > > > basic wrong. Period. > > > > > > It's insane to give such freedom when you are assured that it will, in > > > fact, cause harm to others. Your opinion would be different if a > > > loved one was killed by someone driving a car while high on cocaine. > > > If not, you're certainly in the minority. > > > > > > BK > > > > I've had two friends die from drugs. One with coke, one meth. Our society > > would end as we know it if these drugs were ever legalized. > > What complete and utter bullshit.. Hmmm.....I wonder if we have an addict in our midst. -Greg |