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From: kenpitts on 10 May 2010 22:18 On May 10, 8:42 am, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > On Sun, 9 May 2010 20:17:33 -0700 (PDT), kenpitts <ken.p...(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >On May 9, 9:38 pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > >> On Sun, 9 May 2010 19:32:04 -0700 (PDT), kenpitts <ken.p...(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > =>> > >> >On May 9, 9:13 am, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >> >> On Sun, 09 May 2010 09:58:26 -0400, BAR wrote: > >> >> > In article <4be6bd3c$0$21861$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > >> >> > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> >> >> On Sun, 09 May 2010 01:07:56 -0400, BAR wrote: > >> >> > What we need to do is put the US military on our borders and shoot > >> >> > anyone trying to enter the country illegally. > > >> >> Please provide proof that putting the US military on the border and > >> >> shooting anyone trying to enter the country illegally is a good idea.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >Proof? We don't need no stinking proof. It is clearly a good idea. > > >> >Ken > > >> I'm truly sorry that you think this Ken. It's reprehensible and I > >> thought better of you. > > >> BK- > >You don't think it is a good idea to enforce our border and turn > >around people who are entering illegally? I am the one who feels sorry > >for you. > > At this moment it isn't sorry that I'm feeling for you, but I want to > give you the benefit of the doubt. > > > > >Those who are not legal should go back from whence they came. No > >exceptions, zero tolerance. > > >Ken > > I have no problem with that at all, and I have no problem with > enforcing our border. > > Let's just get this straight. Say that there's a 40 year old man > living in Mexico with his wife, two sons and a daughter. His wife is > not well and he hasn't worked in weeks. Can't find a job. One of his > compadres tells him that across the border in Texas he can get a job > paying $20 dollars a day working in the fields, so in desperation he > makes a 50 mile trip on foot, and crosses the border,hoping to stay a > couple of weeks then return home to try to find work there again. > > Please don't tell me you would murder this man that's only trying to > put food in his family's stomach, doing labor that no U.S. citizen > will do. > > BK- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Where did I ever advocate gunning these people down? I'm saying apprehend them and send the back - real simple. Just like Mexico does on their southern border. The ten million or more that are here are a huge burden on the border states. Send them back too. It's been done before under Truman and Eisenhower. I do not agree that nobody would do those jobs. These businesses will adjust their wages and their conditions to fill th void. I've cleaned the equipment in a butcher shop. I have been a grease monkey at a mechanic shop. I have chipped paint in the Navy. People who need a job will take a job. I knew that first hand before I had a career. Ken
From: Carbon on 10 May 2010 22:40 On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:21:32 -0700, dene wrote: > "Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message > news:tbahu5pcbiskjlm6mt2gtrsd7h2po9l1ms(a)4ax.com... >> On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT), "John B." >> <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> If narcotics are made legal and easy to buy, will drug addiction - and >>> the many problems it imposes on society - go up or down? >> >> Total amount? We're guessing. What happened when Prohibition was >> repealed? >> >> The population of abusers will likely be different. We won't have as >> many problems with criminal gangs. The people working on the problem >> will be social workers, freeing up police to do other vital work. > > A flock of social workers. Just what our society needs. Prison is more > effective. Cleans up the addicts and makes them think twice about using > again. The US incarcerates a larger percentage of its own citizens than any other first world country. That war on drugs is gonna be won any year now!!!
From: bknight on 10 May 2010 22:59 On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:18:23 -0700 (PDT), kenpitts <ken.ptts(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On May 10, 8:42�am, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: >> On Sun, 9 May 2010 20:17:33 -0700 (PDT), kenpitts <ken.p...(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 09 May 2010 01:07:56 -0400, BAR wrote: >> >> >> > What we need to do is put the US military on our borders and shoot >> >> >> > anyone trying to enter the country illegally. >> >> >> >> Please provide proof that putting the US military on the border and >> >> >> shooting anyone trying to enter the country illegally is a good idea.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >Proof? We don't need no stinking proof. It is clearly a good idea. >> >> >> >Ken >> >> >> I'm truly sorry that you think this Ken. �It's reprehensible and I >> >> thought better of you. >> >> >> BK- >> >You don't think it is a good idea to enforce our border and turn >> >around people who are entering illegally? I am the one who feels sorry >> >for you. >> >> At this moment it isn't sorry that I'm feeling for you, but I want to >> give you the benefit of the doubt. >> >> >> >> >Those who are not legal should go back from whence they came. No >> >exceptions, zero tolerance. >> >> >Ken >> >> I have no problem with that at all, and I have no problem with >> enforcing our border. >> >> Let's just get this straight. �Say that there's a 40 year old man >> living in Mexico with his wife, two sons and a daughter. �His wife is >> not well and he hasn't worked in weeks. �Can't find a job. �One of his >> compadres tells him that across the border in Texas he can get a job >> paying $20 dollars a day working in the fields, so in desperation he >> makes a 50 mile trip on foot, and crosses the border,hoping to stay a >> couple of weeks then return home to try to find work there again. >> >> Please don't tell me you would murder this man that's only trying to >> put food in his family's stomach, doing labor that no U.S. citizen >> will do. >> >> BK- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Where did I ever advocate gunning these people down? I'm saying >apprehend them and send the back - real simple. Just like Mexico does >on their southern border. Just so you don't have to scroll back up this very post I'll print both BAR's statement and your agreement: >> >> >> Please provide proof that putting the US military on the border and >> >> >> shooting anyone trying to enter the country illegally is a good idea.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >Proof? We don't need no stinking proof. It is clearly a good idea. You said that shooting them is "clearly a good idea". > BK
From: dene on 10 May 2010 23:20 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4be8c384$0$4977$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:21:32 -0700, dene wrote: > > "Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message > > news:tbahu5pcbiskjlm6mt2gtrsd7h2po9l1ms(a)4ax.com... > >> On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > >> <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> If narcotics are made legal and easy to buy, will drug addiction - and > >>> the many problems it imposes on society - go up or down? > >> > >> Total amount? We're guessing. What happened when Prohibition was > >> repealed? > >> > >> The population of abusers will likely be different. We won't have as > >> many problems with criminal gangs. The people working on the problem > >> will be social workers, freeing up police to do other vital work. > > > > A flock of social workers. Just what our society needs. Prison is more > > effective. Cleans up the addicts and makes them think twice about using > > again. > > The US incarcerates a larger percentage of its own citizens than any > other first world country. That war on drugs is gonna be won any year > now!!! It's also resulted in a dramatically lower crime rate than before. Bad guys are staying where they belong. -Greg
From: R&B on 10 May 2010 23:55
On 2010-05-10 13:25:58 -0400, MNMikeW said: > "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message > news:2010050723254273798-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >> On 2010-05-07 12:45:24 -0400, MNMikeW said: >> >>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >>> news:2010050711524348319-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>>> On 2010-05-07 08:54:54 -0400, MNMikeW said: >>>> >>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:4be34111$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>>>> On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: >>>>>>> "R&B" <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:2010050612314318056-noneofyourbusiness(a)allcom... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But as to the Arizona law specifically... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But where the Arizona law really runs into problems is where police >>>>>>>> in that state won't stop me because I "look" illegal, but they could >>>>>>>> stop Maria or Miguel, my neighbors, who are both second-generation US >>>>>>>> citizens, both born in this country to immigrant citizens of the US. >>>>>>>> That's where this law runs into serious constitutional questions. >>>>>>>> And that's why I oppose it. It places legal citizens in situations >>>>>>>> we've only read about in history books and seen in movies about the >>>>>>>> Gestapo in Germany. It's unAmerican. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is wrong Randy. The law specifically states there must be lawful >>>>>>> contact BEFORE any paper checking can happen. They cannot simply pull >>>>>>> you over for looking a specific way. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, because the police would never routinely pull visible minorities >>>>>> over like that. >>>>> >>>>> Like they do now right? >>>> >>>> Yes, like they do right now. >>>> >>>> Randy >>>> >>> Riiiiiiight. >> >> >> Are you serious, Mike? Do you honestly believe that police don't stop >> people strictly because of the color of their skin? >> > Does it happen, sure. Does it happen a lot, no. There are bad apples in > every group. > >> I personally know a half-dozen people -- responsible adults, all of >> whom are model citizens -- who have been pulled over by racist cops who >> just wanted to hassle a black person. > > Did they say anything racist? Or you just assuming. >> >> And yes, I was even once in the car with someone when it happened. >> I've seen it first hand. We weren't speeding. We weren't breaking any >> laws. And the cop was verbally rude and abusive. It was clear that he >> just wanted to intimidate my friend. > > I've ran into a few prick cops as most people have. There must have > been a reason for > the stop. >> >> The fact is, 99 percent of cops are good people. It's that 1 percent >> that give the rest a bad name in the minds of some. > > Yes, this is true for any group. Except for politicans, where it's > reversed. ;-) >> >> On a lesser scale, even without a badge and a gun, you put some people >> in a position of presumed authority, they will let their presumed >> "power" go to their heads. > > Yes there a few of those out there. > > Like when I was broadcasting a PGA TOUR >> event once and one of the volunteers threatened to have me removed from >> the grounds because I was walking inside the ropes, even though I had >> the credentials clearly on my arm entitling me to be there. The same >> guy even started physically assaulting one of our female reporters >> WHILE SHE WAS TALKING ON THE AIR!!! > > I did volunteer work at the 3M Championship up here a few years ago. We > didnt have that much power to do that. ;-). >> >> >> For you to mindlessly assert that such things don't happen only shows >> your own ignorance -- or stubborn insistence on keeping your head stuck >> firmly in the sand (or elsewhere just as dark). >> > I never said they never happen. But for you to mindlessly assert that > this will be the norm only shows your ignorance. I never said it was the norm. You said, "Riiiiiiight," as if to suggest it hardly ever happens. It happens with surprising regularity. Somewhere. To assert otherwise is a lie. Randy |