Liberal solution to illegal immigration
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From: Jack Hollis on 10 May 2010 20:06 On Sun, 09 May 2010 21:03:10 -0500, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: >>You might want to think twice about judging other people. > >Not a judgment on my part, but a reflection on how you have described >yourself. > >BK Except that the last time I did drugs other than alcohol and weed was over 30 years ago. And I don't drink anymore at all.
From: bknight on 10 May 2010 20:12 On Mon, 10 May 2010 :06:21 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote: >On Sun, 09 May 2010 21:03:10 -0500, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > >>>You might want to think twice about judging other people. >> >>Not a judgment on my part, but a reflection on how you have described >>yourself. >> >>BK > >Except that the last time I did drugs other than alcohol and weed was >over 30 years ago. And I don't drink anymore at all. Good for you. Your posts didn't read that way. BK
From: Jack Hollis on 10 May 2010 20:20 On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT), "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >If narcotics are made legal and easy to buy, will drug addiction - and >the many problems it imposes on society - go up or down? The many problems imposed on society by drugs being illegal will go down.
From: Carbon on 10 May 2010 20:21 On Sun, 09 May 2010 22:10:13 -0700, dene wrote: > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4be78b05$0$4851$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >>> And your solution is?? >> >> Let 'em stay. Undocumented workers are the modern equivalent of >> slaves. They do jobs Americans will not do for almost no money, for >> no benefits. They pay for benefits that they cannot legally claim. >> Companies who use them make higher profits, stock prices go up, etc. >> They're a net gain for the US. >> >> This Dobbsian anti-immigration hysteria (THEY'RE SPREADING >> LEPROSY!!!) surfaces whenever the Republicans are out of office, and >> dies away again when they get back in. All this racism does wonders >> for rallying the true believers, but the reality is that many >> important industries are dependent on undocumented workers. Tyson >> Foods, et al, do not care which party is in power; they will grease >> however many palms it takes to ensure that their cheap labor pool is >> left alone. >> >> So, my take is that the money does not want immigration reform, >> therefore it will not happen. Also, it's very possible that illegal >> workers are a net gain to the economy. I have never heard a coherent >> argument to the contrary from the right. > > So the economic gain outweighs the cost of prisons, education, and > unpaid trips to the ER. It is very possible. However most of the anti-immigration zealots are too busy hating Mexicans to think about it rationally. > Why not enforce the law/borders and create a system of temporary > workers? I could go along with the temp worker part. Putting in a program with the resources to actually prevent people from sneaking into the country would be so insanely expensive that it would never pay. Better to be practical about it.
From: Carbon on 10 May 2010 20:35
On Mon, 10 May 2010 09:35:40 -0700, John B. wrote: > On May 10, 12:26 am, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >> On Sun, 09 May 2010 20:56:38 -0700, dene wrote: >> >>> And your solution is?? >> >> Let 'em stay. Undocumented workers are the modern equivalent of >> slaves. They do jobs Americans will not do for almost no money, for >> no benefits. They pay for benefits that they cannot legally claim. >> Companies who use them make higher profits, stock prices go up, etc. >> They're a net gain for the US. >> >> This Dobbsian anti-immigration hysteria (THEY'RE SPREADING >> LEPROSY!!!) surfaces whenever the Republicans are out of office, and >> dies away again when they get back in. All this racism does wonders >> for rallying the true believers, but the reality is that many >> important industries are dependent on undocumented workers. Tyson >> Foods, et al, do not care which party is in power; they will grease >> however many palms it takes to ensure that their cheap labor pool is >> left alone. >> >> So, my take is that the money does not want immigration reform, >> therefore it will not happen. Also, it's very possible that illegal >> workers are a net gain to the economy. I have never heard a coherent >> argument to the contrary from the right. > > The conservatives here say they're certain that if all the illegals > were deported, Americans would rush in to fill the millions of jobs > that would be left vacant. Yet they offer nothing to corroborate it? > Where are all those Americans now? Why aren't they demanding to be > hired as lawn-care workers or slaughterhouse workers or busboys or > garbage collectors or janitors? The anti-immigration movement is largely a political strategy, must like the Southern Strategy was 40 years ago. It's a way of rallying that part of the the base which enjoys having an easily identifiable segment of the population to hate. The Strategy's supporters don't care if it doesn't make much sense. They just want to know who to blame. |