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From: William Clark on 2 Mar 2010 08:14 In article <MPG.25f63338427466c1989c7a(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <4b8c6809$0$30950$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:09:19 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:57:20 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > > > <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Agreed, but it works both ways. If someone loses their job and needs > > >>> to buy a private insurance policy, insurance cos. shouldn't be > > >>> allowed to turn them down because of the state of their health. > > >> > > >> No problem. The question is, who is going to pay for it? The clear > > >> consensus in the US is that ordinary working people feel they pay too > > >> much to the govt, and they don't want to pay any more, in fact, they > > >> want to pay less. > > > > > > Who pays for it now? > > > > > > (We do). > > > > The ideologues seem to be ignoring this obvious fact with all their > > Everyone should pay for the services they receive. If you don't pay you > should go to jail for stealing. > Better still, throw them back out onto the street to die. That would be the mark of every civilized society. > If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and > your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you call > the police? Would you just let them steal from you? Or if someone in your community expected you to provide tax dollars to fund their kids' schools, wouldn't that be terrible?
From: BAR on 2 Mar 2010 08:14 In article <102qo5h74sb8umcl2el2glaljhpoep5gts(a)4ax.com>, howard(a)brazee.net says... > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > >Everyone should pay for the services they receive. If you don't pay you > >should go to jail for stealing. > > > >If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and > >your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you call > >the police? Would you just let them steal from you? > > So is your idea of Health Reform to turn people away at hospitals and > ambulances until they show proof of insurance? They should be billed for the services that the receive. And, if they fail to pay for the services they should be sued. If if is found that they had the means to pay but withheld that information then they should be tried in criminal court, convicted and sent to jail. Stealing is stealing regardless of the reason.
From: BAR on 2 Mar 2010 08:15 In article <t62qo5h3dnjbgrdj9qgcadr33ei9tvvnfh(a)4ax.com>, howard(a)brazee.net says... > > On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 02:51:15 GMT, assimilate(a)borg.org wrote: > > >getting insurance after you get sick is not buying insurance, it is getting > >someone to pay for your illness. > > > Being denied insurance because you were treated for acne as a child > isn't because you're paying someone for your illness. Is health insurance a contract, yes or no?
From: William Clark on 2 Mar 2010 08:16 In article <MPG.25f6381e38917097989c7b(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2vik7(a)4ax.com>, > bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > >In article <4b8c6809$0$30950$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > >nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > >> > > >> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:09:19 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote: > > >> > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:57:20 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > > >> > <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >>> Agreed, but it works both ways. If someone loses their job and needs > > >> >>> to buy a private insurance policy, insurance cos. shouldn't be > > >> >>> allowed to turn them down because of the state of their health. > > >> >> > > >> >> No problem. The question is, who is going to pay for it? The clear > > >> >> consensus in the US is that ordinary working people feel they pay too > > >> >> much to the govt, and they don't want to pay any more, in fact, they > > >> >> want to pay less. > > >> > > > >> > Who pays for it now? > > >> > > > >> > (We do). > > >> > > >> The ideologues seem to be ignoring this obvious fact with all their > > > > > >Everyone should pay for the services they receive. If you don't pay you > > >should go to jail for stealing. > > > > > >If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and > > >your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you call > > >the police? Would you just let them steal from you? > > > > > Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one was > > so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. > > Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you have > have no intention of paying for the services you receive you are > stealing. Someone seriously injured in a road accident is not in a position to make a choice about going to an emergency room or not. Your analogy is simply absurd.
From: William Clark on 2 Mar 2010 08:17
In article <MPG.25f6d2283e9a4154989c81(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <jv0po5tpu9o8csea3brsi83lug8gumasiu(a)4ax.com>, > bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:47:03 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > >In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2vik7(a)4ax.com>, > > >bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > >> > > >> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> >If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and > > >> >your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you call > > >> >the police? Would you just let them steal from you? > > >> > > > >> Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one was > > >> so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. > > > > > >Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you have > > >have no intention of paying for the services you receive you are > > >stealing. > > > > > > > > Your analogy was idiotic. Period. > > People receiving free health care are stealing from others. So are people receiving a free education. |