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From: John B. on 22 Feb 2010 13:51 On Feb 22, 11:37 am, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > On Feb 22, 11:18 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 9:43 am, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > On Feb 21, 4:38 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 21, 3:27 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 18, 6:16 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:18:15 +0000, assimilate wrote: > > > > > > > On 17-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> Obviously, that totally misses the point. The point would be the > > > > > > >>>> systemic corruption that makes such gross overbilling an everyday > > > > > > >>>> event. > > > > > > > >>> Stop whining. > > > > > > > >> I should just allow myself to be raped like all you ideologues, huh? > > > > > > > > Better that than I get raped by your Universal Healthcare. > > > > > > > Please find any country on the planet with universal healthcare that has > > > > > > higher per capita healthcare costs than the United States. Go ahead, > > > > > > we'll wait. > > > > > > The govt dictates costs and service levels in those countries. In the > > > > > US people can choose from a free market. > > > > > Yes, Americans can shop around for health insurance. They can shop > > > > around for Bentleys and Maseratis, too. > > > > Americans can choose to purchase the health care they want. > > > Individuals can choose to allocate as they wish, not have the costs > > > forced on them, in advance, by the govt. Some people choose not to pay > > > the 10K pa or so health care costs, that's their problem. They'll pay > > > that for a car, or a house, but not health care...so people like you > > > want to tax people to the extend of 20K pa to get 10k worth of > > > services delivered purely to serve the political ends of the govt.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Silly Americans, wasting their money on such frivilous luxuries as > > housing and cars. Next thing you know, they'll want to start buying > > food and clothing! > > You can't have everything. You want to drive an expensive German car > and live in a big house, and that doesn't leave enough for health > insurance, that's your choice.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I didn't say anything about expensive German cars or big houses.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 22 Feb 2010 14:23 On Feb 22, 1:50 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 22, 11:36 am, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 22, 11:16 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 22, 9:41 am, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 21, 4:02 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:41:58 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote: > > > > > > Universal health care screws the poor far more than current US system. > > > > > > Really? On what planet? > > > > > This one. > > > > > The poor in the US have medicaid. Medicaid provides the poor in the US > > > > better health care than the Canadian system provides for the middle > > > > class. The fact of this is represented by the choice medicaid people > > > > have, and the fact they can go to any facility anywhere for service, > > > > as long as they take medicaid, and not all do, but still, beats being > > > > forced to go to one specific family care physician for all your health > > > > care need, like the middle class in Canada. > > > > > Now the rich and powerful in Canada, they have full access anytime, > > > > better than medicaid recipients in the US, better even than people > > > > like me on private insurance, and far better than the poor in Canada. > > > > Fact is, the poor in US, with medicaid, have access to far better > > > > health care than the poor in Canada. > > > > > OF course, with a govt system, we will all get less health care, more > > > > like Canada, and the poor will get that much less, as they always do. > > > > Some of the poor have Medicaid. Some don't. Poverty, i.e. living below > > > the poverty line, isn't enough to qualify someone for Medicaid. You > > > have to be much worse off than that. In the poorer (mostly southern) > > > states, you have to be destitute and penniless. > > > The only reason poor people in the US don't have medicaid is because > > they haven't signed up for it. Like in Canada, people who haven't been > > taken on by a primary care physician don't have access to the system. > > If organizations like ACORN really cared, they would make a big issue > > out of going out there and making sure every poor person was signed up > > for medicaid.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > That is patently false. Many poor people are INELIGIBLE for Medicaid > because they aren't poor enough. Really? So what is your definition of poor then?
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 22 Feb 2010 14:24 On Feb 22, 1:51 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 22, 11:37 am, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 22, 11:18 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 22, 9:43 am, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 21, 4:38 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 21, 3:27 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 6:16 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:18:15 +0000, assimilate wrote: > > > > > > > > On 17-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>> Obviously, that totally misses the point. The point would be the > > > > > > > >>>> systemic corruption that makes such gross overbilling an everyday > > > > > > > >>>> event. > > > > > > > > >>> Stop whining. > > > > > > > > >> I should just allow myself to be raped like all you ideologues, huh? > > > > > > > > > Better that than I get raped by your Universal Healthcare. > > > > > > > > Please find any country on the planet with universal healthcare that has > > > > > > > higher per capita healthcare costs than the United States. Go ahead, > > > > > > > we'll wait. > > > > > > > The govt dictates costs and service levels in those countries. In the > > > > > > US people can choose from a free market. > > > > > > Yes, Americans can shop around for health insurance. They can shop > > > > > around for Bentleys and Maseratis, too. > > > > > Americans can choose to purchase the health care they want. > > > > Individuals can choose to allocate as they wish, not have the costs > > > > forced on them, in advance, by the govt. Some people choose not to pay > > > > the 10K pa or so health care costs, that's their problem. They'll pay > > > > that for a car, or a house, but not health care...so people like you > > > > want to tax people to the extend of 20K pa to get 10k worth of > > > > services delivered purely to serve the political ends of the govt.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Silly Americans, wasting their money on such frivilous luxuries as > > > housing and cars. Next thing you know, they'll want to start buying > > > food and clothing! > > > You can't have everything. You want to drive an expensive German car > > and live in a big house, and that doesn't leave enough for health > > insurance, that's your choice.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > I didn't say anything about expensive German cars or big houses. Doesn't matter what kind of car it is. Take the bus. It's a matter of allocating your own personal wealth to serve your own needs.
From: dene on 22 Feb 2010 14:59 "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:dc9a865c-478f-40c4-97b9-2e4bf7048ae2(a)e1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... On Feb 21, 9:31 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:4b8195e4$0$21010$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > > > > What would be best would be for the money to come out of sales taxes. > > That way even the slackers have to participate. > > I think slackers should get hit hard with a tax penalty.....$1500 minimum. > Why should you or I pay for their irresponsibility? > > -Greg And who is to decide who's a slacker and who isn't? ------------------------------------------------------- Those who have the ability to buy but care not to. What do you suggest, John. People wait until they get sick, then buy? -Greg
From: dene on 22 Feb 2010 15:03
"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:aef3be6e-4de9-441b-8a55-8aef4ca021da(a)v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com... On Feb 22, 11:37 am, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > On Feb 22, 11:18 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 9:43 am, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > On Feb 21, 4:38 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 21, 3:27 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 18, 6:16 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:18:15 +0000, assimilate wrote: > > > > > > > On 17-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> Obviously, that totally misses the point. The point would be the > > > > > > >>>> systemic corruption that makes such gross overbilling an everyday > > > > > > >>>> event. > > > > > > > >>> Stop whining. > > > > > > > >> I should just allow myself to be raped like all you ideologues, huh? > > > > > > > > Better that than I get raped by your Universal Healthcare. > > > > > > > Please find any country on the planet with universal healthcare that has > > > > > > higher per capita healthcare costs than the United States. Go ahead, > > > > > > we'll wait. > > > > > > The govt dictates costs and service levels in those countries. In the > > > > > US people can choose from a free market. > > > > > Yes, Americans can shop around for health insurance. They can shop > > > > around for Bentleys and Maseratis, too. > > > > Americans can choose to purchase the health care they want. > > > Individuals can choose to allocate as they wish, not have the costs > > > forced on them, in advance, by the govt. Some people choose not to pay > > > the 10K pa or so health care costs, that's their problem. They'll pay > > > that for a car, or a house, but not health care...so people like you > > > want to tax people to the extend of 20K pa to get 10k worth of > > > services delivered purely to serve the political ends of the govt.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Silly Americans, wasting their money on such frivilous luxuries as > > housing and cars. Next thing you know, they'll want to start buying > > food and clothing! > > You can't have everything. You want to drive an expensive German car > and live in a big house, and that doesn't leave enough for health > insurance, that's your choice.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I didn't say anything about expensive German cars or big houses. ---------------------------------------------------------- That's true. You really haven't said anything. What's your solution, John. -Greg |