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From: William Clark on 22 Feb 2010 19:40 In article <4b830b17$0$20988$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:07:58 -0500, BAR wrote: > > In article <wclark2-1C007A.22555421022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > >> In article <MPG.25eba52a7c54140e989c38(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR > >> <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > >>> In article <wclark2-BF1991.17323421022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > >>> state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > >>>> > >>>>> If you will notice most of us who oppose socialized medicine and > >>>>> universal health care don't care that Canada, the UK, France or > >>>>> anywhere else has it, we just don't want it here in the USA. We > >>>>> are not trying to tell other countries that they have to operate > >>>>> the way the USA does. > >>>> > >>>> Indeed you do, so that you can live a little while shorter than > >>>> your European counterparts. Good riddance, then. > >>> > >>> Where have I ever said that the Canadians, British, or French need > >>> to change their governments, health care systems or cultures to > >>> satisfy my wants and desires? It hasn't happened and it never will. > >> > >> So you really don't want to live longer, then? Fine with me. > > > > We are talking about busy body know-it-all and telling everyone else > > how to live Billy. I really don't care how you live your life, that is > > your decision, not mine. However, it would be nice if you extended the > > same curtesey to me and others. > > You are forever telling everybody how they should live, and moreover > if they don't like it they should leave. You're not seeing any irony > with that? Doesn't seeing irony require some kind of intelligence? Case closed.
From: William Clark on 22 Feb 2010 19:41 In article <0743aef5-f6cb-40af-abcd-486e665e3872(a)15g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Feb 22, 4:45�pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > state.edu> wrote: > > In article > > <49904568-b75d-48dd-99b5-5bfda8a3a...(a)d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > �Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > On Feb 21, 5:08�pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > > > wrote: > > > > In article > > > > <1f1f533c-c3d7-457e-afb6-15074fb87...(a)33g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > �Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 19, 8:57 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 19, 7:12 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article <4b7de8c5$0$4967$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:30:41 -0500, BAR wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > <4b7dcb52$0$27203$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > > > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:24:00 -0800, John B. wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>> I don't wany my access to all the above to be dependent on > > > > > > > > >>> my > > > > > > > > >>> employment and how much my employer is willing to spend on > > > > > > > > >>> health > > > > > > > > >>> insurance. If I were to lose my job, I wouldn't be able to > > > > > > > > >>> afford > > > > > > > > >>> the medications I depend on. If I were to sell my house and > > > > > > > > >>> take my > > > > > > > > >>> kids out of college so I could afford to buy my own > > > > > > > > >>> insurance > > > > > > > > >>> policy, it wouldn't cover my meds because they would be > > > > > > > > >>> deemed > > > > > > > > >>> to be > > > > > > > > >>> for a pre- existing condition. What's your solution to > > > > > > > > >>> that, > > > > > > > > >>> Bert? > > > > > > > > > > >> Don't get sick. And if you do, die quickly. > > > > > > > > > > > Access to health care is not dependent upon employment. > > > > > > > > > > > If you were better at negotiating pay with your employer and > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > did a > > > > > > > > > better job saving money you would have enough money to pay > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > health care. Instead you have abdicated your personal > > > > > > > > > responsibility > > > > > > > > > to someone else which has made you dependent upon their > > > > > > > > > generosity and > > > > > > > > > goodwill. > > > > > > > > > > > When the teat is taken away you are lost and can't figure out > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > your next meal is coming from. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, but I've heard all this clueless propaganda before. > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > favor of universal healthcare because it is cheaper and more > > > > > > > > humane. You > > > > > > > > obviously do not know the first thing about it, and yet you are > > > > > > > > positive > > > > > > > > that you're right. > > > > > > > > > If you want Universal Health Care there are many countries around > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > world that offer it and there is no one stopping you from > > > > > > > emigrating > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > any of them except you.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Every industrialized country on earth offers universal health care > > > > > > except the U.S., yet the U.S. is the only one of them that's > > > > > > embroiled > > > > > > in a debate about health care. > > > > > > > Where has all the innovation and improvement in health care come from > > > > > over this period? > > > > > > Well. let's take one example. Hip surgery; the hip resurfacing > > > > operation, which is now considered the best option, especially for the > > > > young and active, came from the UK. > > > > > > Oops. > > > > > Oh boy! Bone scraping! How innovative! You want to line that one up > > > against all the innovations that came from the US? > > > > Well, we could add to that, but this just shows how chlldishly > > simplistic your postulate was. Where, for example, was the first heart > > transplant performed? Yawn. > > If Clark needs a heart transplant, send him to South Africa! > Definitely not the US! > > There's another 1 thing to put up against all the things that come out > of the US. Well, it's so damn easy to find these things in a millisecond. The only stupid thing would be to claim that "all the innovation and improvement in health care" has come from the US. No one would be dumb enough to do that, would they?
From: William Clark on 22 Feb 2010 19:43 In article <120f5165-1cf6-4565-923d-8e025cd2f7c8(a)15g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Feb 22, 5:05�pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > state.edu> wrote: > > Amazing how that sticks in your craw. My only conclusion at this point > is that you have no academic expertise yourself, and got a degree > because you can operate some equipment, and are psycho when confronted > by anyone with any academic accomplishments at all. > > The fact you cannot see how and why these govt boondoggles screw the > poor, even when articulated elegantly tells me you are a typical > socialist hypocrite. The fact is, despite being well of yourself, you > want other people to pay for your health care. You simply use the poor > as a debating point to get what you want, and really could care less > about them. Careful snipping, eh? Listen , here it is again. You have not published in the materials science literature, you have not participated in a materials science conference. All these lies - why don't you just give up? You'll feel much better about yourself.
From: William Clark on 22 Feb 2010 19:45 In article <69fab732-6a92-4caf-9043-79f2ac6373c7(a)d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Feb 22, 4:49�pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > state.edu> wrote: > > In article > > <a2ef6843-e23d-4282-98b3-8bf670aab...(a)g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > �Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > On Feb 22, 1:51�pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 22, 11:37�am, Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 11:18�am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 9:43�am, Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Feb 21, 4:38�pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 21, 3:27�pm, Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 6:16�pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:18:15 +0000, assimilate wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 17-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Obviously, that totally misses the point. The point > > > > > > > > > > >>>> would > > > > > > > > > > >>>> be the > > > > > > > > > > >>>> systemic corruption that makes such gross overbilling > > > > > > > > > > >>>> an > > > > > > > > > > >>>> everyday > > > > > > > > > > >>>> event. > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Stop whining. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I should just allow myself to be raped like all you > > > > > > > > > > >> ideologues, huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Better that than I get raped by your Universal > > > > > > > > > > > Healthcare. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please find any country on the planet with universal > > > > > > > > > > healthcare > > > > > > > > > > that has > > > > > > > > > > higher per capita healthcare costs than the United States. > > > > > > > > > > Go > > > > > > > > > > ahead, > > > > > > > > > > we'll wait. > > > > > > > > > > > The govt dictates costs and service levels in those > > > > > > > > > countries. In > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > US people can choose from a free market. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Americans can shop around for health insurance. �They can > > > > > > > > shop > > > > > > > > around for Bentleys and Maseratis, too. > > > > > > > > > Americans can choose to purchase the health care they want. > > > > > > > Individuals can choose to allocate as they wish, not have the > > > > > > > costs > > > > > > > forced on them, in advance, by the govt. Some people choose not > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > the 10K pa or so health care costs, that's their problem. They'll > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > that for a car, or a house, but not health care...so people like > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > want to tax people to the extend of 20K pa to get 10k worth of > > > > > > > services delivered purely to serve the political ends of the > > > > > > > govt.- > > > > > > > Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Silly Americans, wasting their money on such frivilous luxuries as > > > > > > housing and cars. Next thing you know, they'll want to start buying > > > > > > food and clothing! > > > > > > > You can't have everything. You want to drive an expensive German car > > > > > and live in a big house, and that doesn't leave enough for health > > > > > insurance, that's your choice.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > I didn't say anything about expensive German cars or big houses. > > > > > Doesn't matter what kind of car it is. Take the bus. It's a matter of > > > allocating your own personal wealth to serve your own needs. > > > > No, because most cities in the US don't have public transport. The likes > > of you and Bertie aren't willing to pay for that either. > > Public transport in the US is lacking because they bus kids to school, > and low income people can afford cars. Not much market for the public > transit system in most US locations. More like an immensely powerful automobile lobby that has poured untold millions into squashing public transport plans all over the US. School bussing would not be necessary if there was adequate public transport everywhere.
From: William Clark on 22 Feb 2010 19:48
In article <MPG.25ece83e6899724f989c43(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <4b8307e0$0$5115$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:27:15 +0000, assimilate wrote: > > > On 21-Feb-2010, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Cost here, life expectancy there. Are you suggesting that actual > > >>> facts in the form of verifiable statistics are somehow more > > >>> "superficial" than your and Bert's ideologically driven rants? > > >>> You're kidding, right? > > >> > > >> This is becoming stylish. Periodically it becomes politically > > >> successful to rail against intellectuals. Not to the extent that > > >> Pol Pot did (killing everybody who wore glasses), but close to Sarah > > >> Palin levels. > > >> > > >> When people do this, a common thing is to give all opinions the same > > >> weight. Evidence doesn't matter. > > > > > > statistics are not evidence as they can be played with to support any > > > opinion under the sun > > > > So you keep saying. Funny, you haven't produced even the slightest > > argument as to what could be wrong with: > > > > 1. Cost of healthcare per capita as a percentage of GDP. > > When reporters asked Shepard what he thought about as he sat atop the > Redstone rocket, waiting for liftoff, he had replied, 'The fact that > every part of this ship was built by the low bidder.' And the result was hailed as a great American triumph. Your point, then? > > > 2. Average life expectancy by country. > > What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more by > the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life. I think anyone with experience would put the quality of life in many European countries as at least as good as in the US. |