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From: Dinosaur_Sr on 30 Jan 2010 13:26 On Jan 29, 2:47 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- state.edu> wrote: > In article > <408045d7-bc01-4ccf-a946-7e0616597...(a)r6g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > On Jan 29, 9:58 am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > state.edu> wrote: > > > In article <MPG.25ccb4457acbf6f3989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > In article <bd2a7183-1bb3-45af-9786-e1c1ac0cb5c2 > > > > @b10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, frostback2...(a)att.net says... > > > > > > The most interesting aspect of this is your great concern. IF you take > > > > > the position that I have never published anything in the area of > > > > > materials science, you become, as a point of fact, a liar. It is not > > > > > just a matter of being misinformed, because my CV was published online > > > > > and available for many years, for anyone to see. > > > > > > What is more relevant is that your concern suggests that you are > > > > > unpublished, or publish little in the area, isn't it, and it bothers > > > > > you because you think there is some sort of academic status associated > > > > > with who employs you in this business, when in fact academic status is > > > > > solely a function of your accomplishments. > > > > > > Now as I claim zero status as a materials scientist, and I claim none, > > > > > it becomes a problem for you that I have published in the area, > > > > > because you want to claim some sort of status here, when you, like I, > > > > > have none! > > > > > > In any event, the $5K bet is still open. > > > > > I have a $1US that says Billy doesn't take your bet. > > > > Damn right I am not. This is not an issue for "bets", this is about the > > > core of academic integrity. He is claiming to have attended meetings and > > > published in a field where it is absolutely clear he has not. George > > > O'Leary lost his job for doing exactly the same thing, but I am sure > > > your wingnut double standards can find a way around that. > > > If claiming that you have done something you have not is a serious > > issue, then a false accusation of such should be equally serious, > > should it not? If so, then you should be fired. > > Well, given that publication records are the open currency of academia, > anyone who is unwilling to back up a claim like yours by showing them is > immediately suspect. > > Of course, you can clear it up right away, but each attempt to weasel > out of answering the question simply makes you look more and more guilty. You are right, it is completely open. If you care so much, you could look it up. In any event, a false accusation of misconduct should carry the same penalty for the accuser that a true accusation would for the accused, especially given that you can look it up....very easily, as you know.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 30 Jan 2010 13:28 On Jan 29, 2:56 pm, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > > news:clark-6C0474.14035029012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > > In article > > <b2e47378-cd18-4e37-bdb4-8a5b7dfa3...(a)u26g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > >> On Jan 29, 10:35 am, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote: > >> > On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:34:53 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur Sr > > >> > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > >> > >> Plans where you have to pay extra to see a doctor outside of the > >> > >> plan's > >> > >> approved network. Plans where you have to pay extra if you don't > >> > >> want to > >> > >> have to go through a family doctor in order to see a specialist. And > >> > >> so > >> > >> on. > > >> > >A very good point. In the US, you pay extra to see a doctor outside a > >> > >network. In Canada, you are restricted to the one doctor who has > >> > >accepted you as a patient; period. You are limited to that person's > >> > >knowledge and skills; period. > > >> > Certainly Canadians can spend their own money to see US physicians, so > >> > your statement isn't 100% correct. Are all Canadian physicians > >> > limited to only treating those patients assigned to them by the state? > > >> Canadians living in Canada do not have access to the quality of care > >> Americans have in the US. That Canadians are free to access the US > >> system, and do so because of shortcomings in the Canadian system is > >> further damnation of the Canadian system. > > > Then how come they live longer? Oh, the irony! > > I suppose it has something to do with the ethic percentages of the two > countries. Life expectancies of different ethnic groups vary. The United > States has a higher percentage of ethnic people whose average life > expectancy is lower. > > It is more likely genetics than irony. More diversity than anything else. There are structural social problems in the US though, like the nature of inner cities, urban nightmares, created by progressives, FWIW. Places like say France or say Sweden, or Germany, heavily discriminate against non French, Swedes, Germans, and one wonders if they include say Turks living in Germany in their data.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 30 Jan 2010 13:31 On Jan 29, 10:16 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:34:53 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote: > > On Jan 29, 8:47 am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > state.edu> wrote: > > >> Plans where you have to pay extra to see a doctor outside of the > >> plan's approved network. Plans where you have to pay extra if you > >> don't want to have to go through a family doctor in order to see a > >> specialist. And so on. > > > A very good point. In the US, you pay extra to see a doctor outside a > > network. In Canada, you are restricted to the one doctor who has > > accepted you as a patient; period. You are limited to that person's > > knowledge and skills; period. > > You could always go to a clinic as an outpatient, or arrange for a > family doctor to take you on. You can choose who you want to be your > doctor. Possibly not the best arrangement if you're shopping for pills > or something, but it works well enough in practice. I never had a > problem. I know of at least one case where someone with a chronic problem was under-diagnosed by a "family care physician" who was simply not up on what treatments are available, and wasn't familiar with specialists in the field to whom he could refer the patient. You get *ONE* GP type MD as your doctor in Canada; and then if and only if you take the time to find one.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 30 Jan 2010 13:32 On Jan 30, 12:18 am, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:10:41 -0800, dene wrote: > > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >news:4b63a500$0$4939$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:48:19 -0800, dene wrote: > >>> "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote in message > >>>news:hjvegn$muq$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > >>>> "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in > >>>> message > >>>>news:clark-6C0474.14035029012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > >>>>> In article <b2e47378-cd18-4e37- > >>>>> bdb4-8a5b7dfa3...(a)u26g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr > >>>>> <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > >>>>>> Canadians living in Canada do not have access to the quality of > >>>>>> care Americans have in the US. That Canadians are free to access > >>>>>> the US system, and do so because of shortcomings in the Canadian > >>>>>> system is further damnation of the Canadian system. > > >>>>> Then how come they live longer? Oh, the irony! > > >>>> I suppose it has something to do with the ethic percentages of the > >>>> two countries. Life expectancies of different ethnic groups vary. > >>>> The United States has a higher percentage of ethnic people whose > >>>> average life expectancy is lower. > > >>>> It is more likely genetics than irony. > > >>> That's an interesting thought. I wonder what results would be if > >>> one compared Canadians to "European-Americans." Wouldn't surprise > >>> me if it's similar. > > >> It's a ridiculous thought. > > > Really. You don't think Euro-Americans outlive the minorities in the > > US? > > The question is why, not if. Statistically the poor don't live as long. > Perhaps they don't have access to humane healthcare. Perhaps they have an > incorrect skin color which impedes access to better schools and jobs. Etc.. People outside the system counted in Canada? Lots of people don't have a "family care physician".
From: Carbon on 30 Jan 2010 13:54
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:32:10 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote: > On Jan 30, 12:18 am, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:10:41 -0800, dene wrote: >>> "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>>news:4b63a500$0$4939$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:48:19 -0800, dene wrote: >>>>> "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:hjvegn$muq$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>>>> "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in >>>>>> message >>>>>>news:clark-6C0474.14035029012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... >>>>>>> In article <b2e47378-cd18-4e37- >>>>>>> bdb4-8a5b7dfa3...(a)u26g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr >>>>>>> <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Canadians living in Canada do not have access to the quality of >>>>>>>> care Americans have in the US. That Canadians are free to >>>>>>>> access the US system, and do so because of shortcomings in the >>>>>>>> Canadian system is further damnation of the Canadian system. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then how come they live longer? Oh, the irony! >>>>>> >>>>>> I suppose it has something to do with the ethic percentages of >>>>>> the two countries. Life expectancies of different ethnic groups >>>>>> vary. The United States has a higher percentage of ethnic people >>>>>> whose average life expectancy is lower. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is more likely genetics than irony. >>>>> >>>>> That's an interesting thought. I wonder what results would be if >>>>> one compared Canadians to "European-Americans." Wouldn't surprise >>>>> me if it's similar. >>>> >>>> It's a ridiculous thought. >>> >>> Really. You don't think Euro-Americans outlive the minorities in >>> the US? >> >> The question is why, not if. Statistically the poor don't live as >> long. Perhaps they don't have access to humane healthcare. Perhaps >> they have an incorrect skin color which impedes access to better >> schools and jobs. Etc. > > People outside the system counted in Canada? Lots of people don't have > a "family care physician". I was speaking about the US and what factors could be involved in the lower average lifespan, such as selective access to healthcare, racism, etc. To me, the word "genetics" is cover for racism. Even if they choose not to have a primary doctor, Canadians still have access to healthcare with no upfront cost. |