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From: William Clark on 7 Jun 2010 15:24 In article <hujfj2$68h$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:c2ddee73-bd22-43a6-8faa-7e784e69ad74(a)j4g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 7, 6:55 am, Moderate <nos...(a)nomail.com> wrote: > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 6, 3:05 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 10:34:22 -0500, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > >Even though Katrina happened during the Bush administration he's > > > > > not > > > > >the blame , even though the buck stops there. FEMA was just not > > > > >ready, and then mismanaged. > > > > > > >In neither case was the government, nor the President, the > > > > > underlying > > > > >cause of the incident. > > > > > > FIMA had responded quite well to every previous hurricane. The > > > > problem in NO was they had to deal with totally incompetent state > > > > and > > > > local officials. > > > > > > In any case, Bush got the blame even though, as you say, he had > > > > nothing to do with it. Unfortunately for Obama, he will also get > > > > the > > > > blame for the failures of the Gulf oil leak. And it looks like this > > > > is going to go on for a long time. > > > > > FEMA had responded well to previous hurricanes because it was staffed > > > with people with experience and expertise in emergency management, > > > e.g. Jamie Lee Whitt. Bush turned it into a dumping ground for > > > political pals and people who had worked on his campaign. "Brownie" > > > had zero - repeat: zero - background in emergency services. Even if > > > they had known what they were doing, it's kind of ridiculous to > > > suggest that the incompetence of local officials kept them from being > > > able to do their job. > > > > Check your facts. Katrina was the largest and fastest response in > > history. > > What does "largest and fastest" mean? The most people? How fast they > got there? Even if you're right (which you can't prove), what matters > is what they did after they got there -- which is screw things up > every which way from Tuesday. And not just in the initial response, > but for months afterward. > ********************************************************** > > There were 100,000 emergency personnel on the scene in three days. > Helicopter rescues started two hours after the hurricane hit. Keep spinning - if it makes you feel better.
From: BAR on 7 Jun 2010 18:13 In article <fb075af4-7086-4c5d-b10e- 2c5daf511f8f(a)z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > On Jun 6, 7:10�pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:11:16 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> In any case, Bush got the blame even though, as you say, he had > > >> nothing to do with it. =A0Unfortunately for Obama, he will also get the > > >> blame for the failures of the Gulf oil leak. =A0And it looks like this > > >> is going to go on for a long time. > > > > >FEMA had responded well to previous hurricanes because it was staffed > > >with people with experience and expertise in emergency management, > > >e.g. Jamie Lee Whitt. Bush turned it into a dumping ground for > > >political pals and people who had worked on his campaign. "Brownie" > > >had zero - repeat: zero - background in emergency services. Even if > > >they had known what they were doing, it's kind of ridiculous to > > >suggest that the incompetence of local officials kept them from being > > >able to do their job. > > > > There were 4 major hurricanes in Fla in 2004 and just after Katrina > > came Rita in Texas and FIMA did fine. �No, the disaster in NO was due > > to incompetent local officials. � > > There was nothing else approaching the scale of Katrina in 2004. > Complaints about FEMA's incompetence in New Orleans were legion. But > since FEMA (not FIMA) was under GOP control and state and local > officials were Democrats, you refuse to accept that FEMA didn't do a > good job. How many people died due to the failur of Nagin and Blanco failiing to give the order to evacuate. There is a reason that Nagin is now known as School Bus Nagin. Blanco's inability to make a decision is now legendary and is one of the reasons there is a Governor Jindal.
From: BAR on 7 Jun 2010 18:15 In article <clark-34AD14.07500807062010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > In article <64bo069mdphbgnd29qml1s0m8jshnojoaq(a)4ax.com>, > Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 15:26:50 -0500, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > >>But Katrina was an act of God. The oil spill was caused by BP and > > >>they're Obama's biggest campaign contributor. > > > > > >How, in any way, does that make Obama or the government accountable > > >for cleaning up BP's mess? > > > > The blame for this mess will be shared by BP and Obama. When you're > > in charge, there's no way to avoid blame. It's not fair, but that's > > the way it is. > > "In charge" of what? There is only one entity here "in charge" of oil > drilling (and spreading lies and misinformation), and it is not Obama. Department of Energy = Obama Appointee. Department of the Interior = Obama Appointee. Department of Homeland Security = Obama Appointee. Obama can run from but, he can't hide from this one.
From: BAR on 7 Jun 2010 18:18 In article <fmvp06paftfupdknq25qqsg3hquokirom2(a)4ax.com>, bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:53:46 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > >In article <ekmp06tn5jg0s68hcl6fu47rvvvf68q0su(a)4ax.com>, > >howard(a)brazee.net says... > >> > >> On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 21:07:13 -0500, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > >> > >> >>Wow. Where do you start? Obama shows no leadership. he should have > >> >>had James Cameron there on day one. He should have had the director > >> >>of Transformers there putting underwater robots plugging the hole. > >> > > >> >Ridiculous. The government has no reason, wherewithal, or the > >> >experience in deep sea recovery or drilling. The very idea of idiot > >> >conservatives wanting the government to get involved with private > >> >business is hypocritical, but expected. > >> > >> Did you notice the words "Transformers" and "Cameron"? Your > >> response didn't appear to recognize the joke. > > > >That is Bobby's problem. He reads into things what he wants not what is > >there. Bobby has lost the ability to read and comprehend and connect the > >dots on a broader scale. > > BP hasn't allowed anyone's suggestions to penetrate their > stubbornness. Cameron has more experience at greater depths than this > drilling, and they ignored him The fact is that I don't find that > funny. How many broken oil drilling pipes has Cameron fixed in 5,000 feet of water? Cameron is a joke. > But then, your IQ of 150+ (what a joke) might.
From: bknight on 7 Jun 2010 18:55
On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:18:21 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >In article <fmvp06paftfupdknq25qqsg3hquokirom2(a)4ax.com>, >bknight(a)conramp.net says... >> > >How many broken oil drilling pipes has Cameron fixed in 5,000 feet of >water? > >Cameron is a joke. > >> But then, your IQ of 150+ (what a joke) might. I'd say read and learn, but just read. You never learn. http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/jun/02/james-cameron-underwater-oil-spill BK |