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From: Dinosaur_Sr on 17 Feb 2010 17:13 On Feb 17, 5:00 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > > news:7u300eFgdqU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > > > > "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > >news:d7Xen.8$Ee1.4(a)newsfe12.iad... > > >> "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > >>news:7tnb50Fs8nU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > >> > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> >news:4b75e854$0$21064$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:27:03 -0500, BAR wrote: > >> >> > In article <oy0dn.144819$kQ5.41...(a)newsfe08.iad>, > >> >> > dontwr...(a)gmail.com > > >> >> Great! I'd like healthcare that covers me for every possible illness > >> >> with no upfront co-pays at less than 2/3 of what I'm paying now, with > > no > >> >> exclusions for pre-existing conditions and where the insurance company > >> >> can never drop coverage. In return I will agree to Tort reform, such > >> >> that I will never expect an honest mistake to be equivalent to winning > >> >> the lottery. > > >> > Yeah....liberals are great at spending other people's money. > > >> > -Greg > > >> And banks, tobacco companies, auto manufacturers, > >> health insurance companies, oil companies, mortgage > >> companies, defense industry ... campanies are great at > >> stealing other people's money. Where's my list? Did I > >> forget anyone? How about fructose companies ... security > >> companies ala Blackwater, wall street in general ... > >> Oh yeah, Madison Avenue, who has created synicism > >> and deep rooted fear in the basic honesty of the American > >> people, especially in children who watch false adverstising... > >> Did I forget media in general? > > > All the ones you mention are ultimately accountable to the consumer. You > > have the choice whether you want to do business with them. Do you have > > that > > choice with your taxes? Who is government accountable to? If you think > > the > > voters, then consider why the government is growing 5% while business and > > personal revenues are stagnant or shrinking. > > > -Greg > > And the people who died in Bopol, India from Union > Carbide are going to stop doing business. I guess. And > the people who died in Ford Pintos, yeah they will stop > doing business with Ford. And the thousands of people > who die every year in hospitals from malpractice are > definitely going to go somewhere in the next life. Them > stupid people who expect for the government to protect > them from innocent buisnesses ... And I'm pretty sure the > people who were suckered into bad loans will not > finance with the same companies ... well not for a few > years after they partially recover from bankruptcy. > > Yep, the American dream. Cheat your neighbors. up with > corporations, lobby the government, unrestricted spending > by coprs on political ads. It's the government's fault, not > the corporations who own the government. The millions of people in the Soviet Union who died because the govt took all the grain to Moscow and left them with nothing. The millions murdered by the Khmer Rouges because they weren't the right "kind" of people. How about all the people who died building Moscow's marvelous subway! Govt control! The solution to all our problems!
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 17 Feb 2010 17:14 On Feb 17, 5:02 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:43:55 -0800, dene wrote: > > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >news:4b7c5d2c$0$4850$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:58:20 -0800, dene wrote: > >>> "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >>>news:4b7b6ecb$0$4944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:58:48 -0500, William Clark wrote: > > >>>> I can certainly vouch for that. I went to emergency last summer. > >>>> There were a lot of underclass unemployed looking people in the > >>>> waiting room. I talked to the doctor for one (1) minute. No > >>>> treatment was performed. The cost: around $500. > > >>> Underclass? I thought liberal dogma teaches that "we're all the > >>> same." > > >> If I can smell them from across the waiting room then they are > >> clearly different from me. If they want to lay around all day and be > >> losers, that's great. I don't care. But I shouldn't have to get stuck > >> paying for them. That is exactly what is happening in this broken > >> system. Don't you think it's wrong? > > > Did I just get a whiff of personal responsibility in this diatribe? > > There's hope for you, Carbs!!! ;> > > Obviously I believe in hard work and personal responsibility. Why would > anyone assume otherwise? Because I'm a liberal? > > The biggest advantage to universal healthcare is that it's cheaper. It > doesn't make financial sense to have this huge insurance bureaucracy if > all the unemployed people can just go to emergency and stick the > insureds with all the bills. It's crazy. How do you prevent people with no money from going to emergency rooms? Why would I want "cheaper" health care? I'd prefer cheaper government!
From: dene on 17 Feb 2010 19:37 "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:QFZen.12$sx5.9(a)newsfe16.iad... > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > news:7u300eFgdqU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:d7Xen.8$Ee1.4(a)newsfe12.iad... > >> > >> "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > >> news:7tnb50Fs8nU1(a)mid.individual.net... > >> > > >> > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> > news:4b75e854$0$21064$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:27:03 -0500, BAR wrote: > >> >> > In article <oy0dn.144819$kQ5.41489(a)newsfe08.iad>, > >> >> > dontwrite(a)gmail.com > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Great! I'd like healthcare that covers me for every possible illness > >> >> with no upfront co-pays at less than 2/3 of what I'm paying now, with > > no > >> >> exclusions for pre-existing conditions and where the insurance company > >> >> can never drop coverage. In return I will agree to Tort reform, such > >> >> that I will never expect an honest mistake to be equivalent to winning > >> >> the lottery. > >> > > >> > Yeah....liberals are great at spending other people's money. > >> > > >> > -Greg > >> > >> And banks, tobacco companies, auto manufacturers, > >> health insurance companies, oil companies, mortgage > >> companies, defense industry ... campanies are great at > >> stealing other people's money. Where's my list? Did I > >> forget anyone? How about fructose companies ... security > >> companies ala Blackwater, wall street in general ... > >> Oh yeah, Madison Avenue, who has created synicism > >> and deep rooted fear in the basic honesty of the American > >> people, especially in children who watch false adverstising... > >> Did I forget media in general? > > > > All the ones you mention are ultimately accountable to the consumer. You > > have the choice whether you want to do business with them. Do you have > > that > > choice with your taxes? Who is government accountable to? If you think > > the > > voters, then consider why the government is growing 5% while business and > > personal revenues are stagnant or shrinking. > > > > -Greg > > And the people who died in Bopol, India from Union > Carbide are going to stop doing business. I guess. And > the people who died in Ford Pintos, yeah they will stop > doing business with Ford. And the thousands of people > who die every year in hospitals from malpractice are > definitely going to go somewhere in the next life. Them > stupid people who expect for the government to protect > them from innocent buisnesses ... And I'm pretty sure the > people who were suckered into bad loans will not > finance with the same companies ... well not for a few > years after they partially recover from bankruptcy. > > Yep, the American dream. Cheat your neighbors. up with > corporations, lobby the government, unrestricted spending > by coprs on political ads. It's the government's fault, not > the corporations who own the government. The Netherlands await you. -Greg
From: dene on 17 Feb 2010 19:42 "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote in message news:f61d6fbf-d4e5-42c5-ad46-7dd4ce8418e3(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... On Feb 17, 5:00 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > > news:7u300eFgdqU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > > > > "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > >news:d7Xen.8$Ee1.4(a)newsfe12.iad... > > >> "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > >>news:7tnb50Fs8nU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > >> > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> >news:4b75e854$0$21064$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:27:03 -0500, BAR wrote: > >> >> > In article <oy0dn.144819$kQ5.41...(a)newsfe08.iad>, > >> >> > dontwr...(a)gmail.com > > >> >> Great! I'd like healthcare that covers me for every possible illness > >> >> with no upfront co-pays at less than 2/3 of what I'm paying now, with > > no > >> >> exclusions for pre-existing conditions and where the insurance company > >> >> can never drop coverage. In return I will agree to Tort reform, such > >> >> that I will never expect an honest mistake to be equivalent to winning > >> >> the lottery. > > >> > Yeah....liberals are great at spending other people's money. > > >> > -Greg > > >> And banks, tobacco companies, auto manufacturers, > >> health insurance companies, oil companies, mortgage > >> companies, defense industry ... campanies are great at > >> stealing other people's money. Where's my list? Did I > >> forget anyone? How about fructose companies ... security > >> companies ala Blackwater, wall street in general ... > >> Oh yeah, Madison Avenue, who has created synicism > >> and deep rooted fear in the basic honesty of the American > >> people, especially in children who watch false adverstising... > >> Did I forget media in general? > > > All the ones you mention are ultimately accountable to the consumer. You > > have the choice whether you want to do business with them. Do you have > > that > > choice with your taxes? Who is government accountable to? If you think > > the > > voters, then consider why the government is growing 5% while business and > > personal revenues are stagnant or shrinking. > > > -Greg > > And the people who died in Bopol, India from Union > Carbide are going to stop doing business. I guess. And > the people who died in Ford Pintos, yeah they will stop > doing business with Ford. And the thousands of people > who die every year in hospitals from malpractice are > definitely going to go somewhere in the next life. Them > stupid people who expect for the government to protect > them from innocent buisnesses ... And I'm pretty sure the > people who were suckered into bad loans will not > finance with the same companies ... well not for a few > years after they partially recover from bankruptcy. > > Yep, the American dream. Cheat your neighbors. up with > corporations, lobby the government, unrestricted spending > by coprs on political ads. It's the government's fault, not > the corporations who own the government. The millions of people in the Soviet Union who died because the govt took all the grain to Moscow and left them with nothing. The millions murdered by the Khmer Rouges because they weren't the right "kind" of people. How about all the people who died building Moscow's marvelous subway! Govt control! The solution to all our problems! ------------------------------------------------ Well said Rob. The problem with corporations and churches and any other human organization is that they are full of flawed people. However, people are at their best when there is a sufficient balance of accountability and incentive. Government takeovers/socialism offer neither whereas capitalism offers. So Mr. Asphalt....what is your solution to the problems you listed? -Greg
From: BAR on 17 Feb 2010 20:02
In article <4b7c1627$0$5110$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:58:02 -0500, BAR wrote: > > In article <4b7b6ecb$0$4944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:58:48 -0500, William Clark wrote: > >>> In article <gekmn5poggg6so8642q5o5prk91a1n9nc3(a)4ax.com>, Jack Hollis > >>> <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:15:57 -0700, Howard Brazee > >>>> <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: > >>>>>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:35:43 -0500, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> > >>>>>wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Community hospitals get financial support from towns & cities, > >>>>>>> who can require what they want for that support. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For whatever reason they treat those who can't afford their > >>>>>>> treatment, we pay. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The reason that they do it is because it's the law. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have no idea what gives the government the right to order > >>>>>> private businesses to provide services for free. > >>>>> > >>>>> The government can take my money and my labor. That's the nature > >>>>> of governments. > >>>>> > >>>>> But in this case, the government pays money to community > >>>>> hospitals, and demands some control for that money. > >>>> > >>>> The government doesn't reimburse the hospitals for the services. > >>>> The hospital has to absorb the cost. This is what is known as an > >>>> unfunded mandate. The Feds always pass unfunded mandates to the > >>>> states, but that government to government. The law requiring > >>>> hospitals to deliver services is, in many cases, a government > >>>> mandate on a private business. Ultimately, the cost is passed on > >>>> to the consumer who has insurance. It's a stealth tax. > >>> > >>> BS, Jack, as per usual. The hospitals don't "absorb the cost", they > >>> recoup it by overcharging patients who do have insurance. In other > >>> words, they are allowed to tax you and me. Gosh, sounds like a > >>> public option, without the honesty or accountability. > >> > >> I can certainly vouch for that. I went to emergency last summer. > >> There were a lot of underclass unemployed looking people in the > >> waiting room. I talked to the doctor for one (1) minute. No > >> treatment was performed. The cost: around $500. > > > > Why didn't you go to a Doc-In-A-Box, it would have been cheaper. And, > > obviously you were not in a life threatening situation. > If you went to the Doc-In-A-Box and it was an emergency they would have called 911 to send an ambulance to take you to the emergency room. You are the problem, not the solution. |