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From: BAR on 18 Feb 2010 07:38 In article <buapn5p6gjnhm1cj72l1a9fq438vvoommu(a)4ax.com>, howard(a)brazee.net says... > > On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:08:55 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > >> The biggest advantage to universal healthcare is that it's cheaper. It > >> doesn't make financial sense to have this huge insurance bureaucracy if > >> all the unemployed people can just go to emergency and stick the > >> insureds with all the bills. It's crazy. > > > >Cheaper for those who do not work, those who do not pay taxes and those > >who don't have a conscience. > > Same cost for those who don't work. Everybody pays taxes, so those > guys will pay more. There are plenty of people without conscience > in every income bracket paying what they need. Not everyone pays income taxes.
From: Howard Brazee on 18 Feb 2010 08:01 On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:38:42 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >> >Cheaper for those who do not work, those who do not pay taxes and those >> >who don't have a conscience. >> >> Same cost for those who don't work. Everybody pays taxes, so those >> guys will pay more. There are plenty of people without conscience >> in every income bracket paying what they need. > >Not everyone pays income taxes. Who mentioned income taxes? Everybody pays taxes. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 18 Feb 2010 08:03 On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:13:18 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >For years I was subjected to socialized medicine where you go into the >clinic and you get the doctor on duty. No choice, no continuity of care, >just look you over, prescribe something and move onto the next patient >to clear out the waiting room before 4:30 PM. I would guess half of the insured people in the United States are in that boat. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: William Clark on 18 Feb 2010 08:26 In article <MPG.25e6f4c3a0841494989bdd(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <wclark2-B7C438.22092917022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > > > In article <4b7c98a4$0$21010$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:08:55 -0500, BAR wrote: > > > > In article <4b7c6759$0$4859$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:43:55 -0800, dene wrote: > > > >>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > > >>> news:4b7c5d2c$0$4850$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > > >>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:58:20 -0800, dene wrote: > > > >>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > > >>>>> news:4b7b6ecb$0$4944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > > >>>>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:58:48 -0500, William Clark wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> I can certainly vouch for that. I went to emergency last summer. > > > >>>>>> There were a lot of underclass unemployed looking people in the > > > >>>>>> waiting room. I talked to the doctor for one (1) minute. No > > > >>>>>> treatment was performed. The cost: around $500. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Underclass? I thought liberal dogma teaches that "we're all the > > > >>>>> same." > > > >>>> > > > >>>> If I can smell them from across the waiting room then they are > > > >>>> clearly different from me. If they want to lay around all day and > > > >>>> be losers, that's great. I don't care. But I shouldn't have to get > > > >>>> stuck paying for them. That is exactly what is happening in this > > > >>>> broken system. Don't you think it's wrong? > > > >>> > > > >>> Did I just get a whiff of personal responsibility in this diatribe? > > > >>> There's hope for you, Carbs!!! ;> > > > >> > > > >> Obviously I believe in hard work and personal responsibility. Why > > > >> would anyone assume otherwise? Because I'm a liberal? > > > >> > > > >> The biggest advantage to universal healthcare is that it's cheaper. > > > >> It doesn't make financial sense to have this huge insurance > > > >> bureaucracy if all the unemployed people can just go to emergency and > > > >> stick the insureds with all the bills. It's crazy. > > > > > > > > Cheaper for those who do not work, those who do not pay taxes and > > > > those who don't have a conscience. > > > > > > I was billed $500+ for one minute of a doctor's time. A less corrupt > > > healthcare system would be cheaper for me. And for you, not that your > > > political beliefs allow you to rationally consider the matter. > > > > Just as I (or rather, my insurance) was billed $1,650 for a Ti-6-4 hip > > prosthesis, that costs about $700. Amazing. > > Didn't you claim previously that your hip hardware cost $16,000? Yes, indeed you are right. I left a zero off, probably in disbelief, but $16,500 ir was.
From: John B. on 18 Feb 2010 11:18
On Feb 17, 5:13 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > On Feb 17, 5:00 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > > >news:7u300eFgdqU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:d7Xen.8$Ee1.4(a)newsfe12.iad... > > > >> "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > > >>news:7tnb50Fs8nU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > >> > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > >> >news:4b75e854$0$21064$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > >> >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:27:03 -0500, BAR wrote: > > >> >> > In article <oy0dn.144819$kQ5.41...(a)newsfe08.iad>, > > >> >> > dontwr...(a)gmail.com > > > >> >> Great! I'd like healthcare that covers me for every possible illness > > >> >> with no upfront co-pays at less than 2/3 of what I'm paying now, with > > > no > > >> >> exclusions for pre-existing conditions and where the insurance company > > >> >> can never drop coverage. In return I will agree to Tort reform, such > > >> >> that I will never expect an honest mistake to be equivalent to winning > > >> >> the lottery. > > > >> > Yeah....liberals are great at spending other people's money. > > > >> > -Greg > > > >> And banks, tobacco companies, auto manufacturers, > > >> health insurance companies, oil companies, mortgage > > >> companies, defense industry ... campanies are great at > > >> stealing other people's money. Where's my list? Did I > > >> forget anyone? How about fructose companies ... security > > >> companies ala Blackwater, wall street in general ... > > >> Oh yeah, Madison Avenue, who has created synicism > > >> and deep rooted fear in the basic honesty of the American > > >> people, especially in children who watch false adverstising... > > >> Did I forget media in general? > > > > All the ones you mention are ultimately accountable to the consumer. You > > > have the choice whether you want to do business with them. Do you have > > > that > > > choice with your taxes? Who is government accountable to? If you think > > > the > > > voters, then consider why the government is growing 5% while business and > > > personal revenues are stagnant or shrinking. > > > > -Greg > > > And the people who died in Bopol, India from Union > > Carbide are going to stop doing business. I guess. And > > the people who died in Ford Pintos, yeah they will stop > > doing business with Ford. And the thousands of people > > who die every year in hospitals from malpractice are > > definitely going to go somewhere in the next life. Them > > stupid people who expect for the government to protect > > them from innocent buisnesses ... And I'm pretty sure the > > people who were suckered into bad loans will not > > finance with the same companies ... well not for a few > > years after they partially recover from bankruptcy. > > > Yep, the American dream. Cheat your neighbors. up with > > corporations, lobby the government, unrestricted spending > > by coprs on political ads. It's the government's fault, not > > the corporations who own the government. > > The millions of people in the Soviet Union who died because the govt > took all the grain to Moscow and left them with nothing. The millions > murdered by the Khmer Rouges because they weren't the right "kind" of > people. How about all the people who died building Moscow's marvelous > subway! Govt control! The solution to all our problems!- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Yes, I was just thinking about how much the US govt. resembles the Kremlin and the Khmer Rouge. Good point! |