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From: John B. on 18 Feb 2010 11:24 On Feb 17, 8:14 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <4b7c5da2$0$4850$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:45:07 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 12:57 am, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 04:38:52 +0000, assimilate wrote: > > >>> On 16-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>> It's a nice fantasy, appealing in its brainless simplicity: > > >>>>>> Liberals blow money and Conservatives do not. > > > >>>>> You're the simple one, as those are your words. I've stated many > > >>>>> times and in great detail how to lower healthcare costs. What you > > >>>>> call reform will not do it. It goes against the basic laws of > > >>>>> economics. > > > >>>> Back here on planet earth, what I call reform is what is otherwise > > >>>> known as universal healthcare. Everywhere it has been implemented > > >>>> (in the first world at least) it has been much less expensive per > > >>>> capita than US healthcare and has also produced better results in > > >>>> the form of average life expectancy > > > >>> But you can't say what their systems would be if they had not gone > > >>> down the economy stifling path of UHS now can you? Can you tell me > > >>> that Britain's NHS won't implode under the weight of bommer aging? > > >>> It is already showing stress. Life expectancy does not relate > > >>> exclusively to healthcare, if fact, after the 1st few fragile years > > >>> of life, it is almost divorced from it. > > > >> Economy stifling? Bill, what the hell are you talking about? The US > > >> system is the most expensive in the world by far. Countries with > > >> rational healthcare systems have a lot less to worry about than the > > >> US does. > > > > So what is US health care costs more? If the American people want it > > > that way, that's the way it should be. > > > In my experience people do not like getting ripped off. > > Do you want the doctors that the rest of the doctors send their families > too? > > Do you want the doctors who keep up with all of the latest literature? > > Do you want the doctors who have the best diagnostic equipment? > > Do you want the hospitals that have the best equipment and facilities? > > Do you want the hospitals that have the best personnel? > > Do you want to survive your next visit to the emergency room? > > My answer to all of these questions is yes and I am willing to bay extra > for all of them. > > Or, you can go to the doctor that graduated 500 out of 500 in his class > at medical school. Go to the hospital that is always on the edge of > loosing its license to operate. > > It is your choice.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I don't wany my access to all the above to be dependent on my employment and how much my employer is willing to spend on health insurance. If I were to lose my job, I wouldn't be able to afford the medications I depend on. If I were to sell my house and take my kids out of college so I could afford to buy my own insurance policy, it wouldn't cover my meds because they would be deemed to be for a pre- existing condition. What's your solution to that, Bert?
From: dene on 18 Feb 2010 11:31 "Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message news:djeqn5tcnh05elu1ccmuhkln8nbnarhobe(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:13:18 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > >For years I was subjected to socialized medicine where you go into the > >clinic and you get the doctor on duty. No choice, no continuity of care, > >just look you over, prescribe something and move onto the next patient > >to clear out the waiting room before 4:30 PM. > > I would guess half of the insured people in the United States are in > that boat. Bert describes an HMO in what you quoted above. Most people do not have these plans anymore. They have PPO's. -Greg
From: gray asphalt on 18 Feb 2010 14:20 <assimilate(a)borg.org> wrote in message news:Qc4fn.1035$1L.960(a)newsfe01.iad... > > On 17-Feb-2010, "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> The millions of people in the Soviet Union who died because the govt >> took all the grain to Moscow and left them with nothing. The millions >> murdered by the Khmer Rouges because they weren't the right "kind" of >> people. How about all the people who died building Moscow's marvelous >> subway! Govt control! The solution to all our problems! >> >> _____ >> >> No offense buy I'm kinda focused on US government. > > He is too, you're just too narrow-minded to see that. > > -- > bill-o How can I have a narrow mind and a fat head at the same time? My wife says I have a huge ego. That wouldn't fit in a narrow mind.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 18 Feb 2010 15:58 On Feb 17, 8:30 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote in message > > news:f61d6fbf-d4e5-42c5-ad46-7dd4ce8418e3(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 17, 5:00 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > > >news:7u300eFgdqU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:d7Xen.8$Ee1.4(a)newsfe12.iad... > > > >> "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > > >>news:7tnb50Fs8nU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > >> > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > >> >news:4b75e854$0$21064$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > >> >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:27:03 -0500, BAR wrote: > > >> >> > In article <oy0dn.144819$kQ5.41...(a)newsfe08.iad>, > > >> >> > dontwr...(a)gmail.com > > > >> >> Great! I'd like healthcare that covers me for every possible illness > > >> >> with no upfront co-pays at less than 2/3 of what I'm paying now, > > >> >> with > > > no > > >> >> exclusions for pre-existing conditions and where the insurance > > >> >> company > > >> >> can never drop coverage. In return I will agree to Tort reform, such > > >> >> that I will never expect an honest mistake to be equivalent to > > >> >> winning > > >> >> the lottery. > > > >> > Yeah....liberals are great at spending other people's money. > > > >> > -Greg > > > >> And banks, tobacco companies, auto manufacturers, > > >> health insurance companies, oil companies, mortgage > > >> companies, defense industry ... campanies are great at > > >> stealing other people's money. Where's my list? Did I > > >> forget anyone? How about fructose companies ... security > > >> companies ala Blackwater, wall street in general ... > > >> Oh yeah, Madison Avenue, who has created synicism > > >> and deep rooted fear in the basic honesty of the American > > >> people, especially in children who watch false adverstising... > > >> Did I forget media in general? > > > > All the ones you mention are ultimately accountable to the consumer. You > > > have the choice whether you want to do business with them. Do you have > > > that > > > choice with your taxes? Who is government accountable to? If you think > > > the > > > voters, then consider why the government is growing 5% while business > > > and > > > personal revenues are stagnant or shrinking. > > > > -Greg > > > And the people who died in Bopol, India from Union > > Carbide are going to stop doing business. I guess. And > > the people who died in Ford Pintos, yeah they will stop > > doing business with Ford. And the thousands of people > > who die every year in hospitals from malpractice are > > definitely going to go somewhere in the next life. Them > > stupid people who expect for the government to protect > > them from innocent buisnesses ... And I'm pretty sure the > > people who were suckered into bad loans will not > > finance with the same companies ... well not for a few > > years after they partially recover from bankruptcy. > > > Yep, the American dream. Cheat your neighbors. up with > > corporations, lobby the government, unrestricted spending > > by coprs on political ads. It's the government's fault, not > > the corporations who own the government. > > The millions of people in the Soviet Union who died because the govt > took all the grain to Moscow and left them with nothing. The millions > murdered by the Khmer Rouges because they weren't the right "kind" of > people. How about all the people who died building Moscow's marvelous > subway! Govt control! The solution to all our problems! > > _____ > > No offense buy I'm kinda focused on US government. Look up their "solutions" to the "red indian" problem, and how well they worked out.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 18 Feb 2010 16:00
On Feb 17, 8:37 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > > news:7u3gfaF9srU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > > > > "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote in message > >news:f61d6fbf-d4e5-42c5-ad46-7dd4ce8418e3(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com.... > > On Feb 17, 5:00 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > > >>news:7u300eFgdqU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > >> > "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > >> >news:d7Xen.8$Ee1.4(a)newsfe12.iad... > > >> >> "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > >> >>news:7tnb50Fs8nU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > >> >> > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> >> >news:4b75e854$0$21064$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> >> >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:27:03 -0500, BAR wrote: > >> >> >> > In article <oy0dn.144819$kQ5.41...(a)newsfe08.iad>, > >> >> >> > dontwr...(a)gmail.com > > >> >> >> Great! I'd like healthcare that covers me for every possible > >> >> >> illness > >> >> >> with no upfront co-pays at less than 2/3 of what I'm paying now, > > with > >> > no > >> >> >> exclusions for pre-existing conditions and where the insurance > > company > >> >> >> can never drop coverage. In return I will agree to Tort reform, > >> >> >> such > >> >> >> that I will never expect an honest mistake to be equivalent to > > winning > >> >> >> the lottery. > > >> >> > Yeah....liberals are great at spending other people's money. > > >> >> > -Greg > > >> >> And banks, tobacco companies, auto manufacturers, > >> >> health insurance companies, oil companies, mortgage > >> >> companies, defense industry ... campanies are great at > >> >> stealing other people's money. Where's my list? Did I > >> >> forget anyone? How about fructose companies ... security > >> >> companies ala Blackwater, wall street in general ... > >> >> Oh yeah, Madison Avenue, who has created synicism > >> >> and deep rooted fear in the basic honesty of the American > >> >> people, especially in children who watch false adverstising... > >> >> Did I forget media in general? > > >> > All the ones you mention are ultimately accountable to the consumer. > >> > You > >> > have the choice whether you want to do business with them. Do you have > >> > that > >> > choice with your taxes? Who is government accountable to? If you think > >> > the > >> > voters, then consider why the government is growing 5% while business > > and > >> > personal revenues are stagnant or shrinking. > > >> > -Greg > > >> And the people who died in Bopol, India from Union > >> Carbide are going to stop doing business. I guess. And > >> the people who died in Ford Pintos, yeah they will stop > >> doing business with Ford. And the thousands of people > >> who die every year in hospitals from malpractice are > >> definitely going to go somewhere in the next life. Them > >> stupid people who expect for the government to protect > >> them from innocent buisnesses ... And I'm pretty sure the > >> people who were suckered into bad loans will not > >> finance with the same companies ... well not for a few > >> years after they partially recover from bankruptcy. > > >> Yep, the American dream. Cheat your neighbors. up with > >> corporations, lobby the government, unrestricted spending > >> by coprs on political ads. It's the government's fault, not > >> the corporations who own the government. > > > The millions of people in the Soviet Union who died because the govt > > took all the grain to Moscow and left them with nothing. The millions > > murdered by the Khmer Rouges because they weren't the right "kind" of > > people. How about all the people who died building Moscow's marvelous > > subway! Govt control! The solution to all our problems! > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > Well said Rob. > > > The problem with corporations and churches and any other human > > organization > > is that they are full of flawed people. However, people are at their best > > when there is a sufficient balance of accountability and incentive. > > Government takeovers/socialism offer neither whereas capitalism offers. > > > So Mr. Asphalt....what is your solution to the problems you listed? > > > -Greg > > I'm kinda suprised you admit there is a problem, seriously > no offense. > > If I were in charge, the first thing I would do is make restaurants > quit using transfats or explain why not. Why? Because there just > doesn't seem to be any reason to poison people (exaggeration) for > no reason. So far in my life, I've accomplished two thing politically ... > getting more computers for CPS to take abuse calls in AZ and > getting a tree trimmed so that a stop sign near my home is visible. > > If we can't get the restaurants to end a health hazard then perhaps > we just need to educate ourselves why we should stop feeling > guilty about the state of the US and maybe realize we have no > responsibity in a world that can't be changed for the better. There > are probably many other and better projects that would take no > money or even much will to change ... one I personally would like > to see is better databases for non-profit agencies so that the money > that is being spent by the private sector to help people can be > accessed more easily. I only know about two databases, one here > in NV, which is a joke and the one I worked at in Phoenix, which > is much better but still could use a lot of improvement. ... neither > would cost much. > > You Asked. Now me, I would eliminate the law profession and set up a govt agency to handle legal issues for the public. They law is there to serve the public, not the law profession. I would prohibit the riding of bicycles on roads. They are a menace. Why should other people's lives be risked for the sake of riding a bicycle on a road built for cars? |