From: BAR on 17 May 2010 18:01 In article <85dd5uFu94U1(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com says... > > "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.265af63fc9dff1ff989f52(a)news.giganews.com... > > In article <wclark2-7ECF92.22342116052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > > > > > In article <MPG.265a6ab0bb1b43bf989f51(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <85bkjoFp15U1(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com > > > > says... > > > > > > > > > > "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:MPG.2659b75cc147c258989f46(a)news.giganews.com... > > > > > > In article <4befea12$0$12163$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:18:51 -0400, BAR wrote: > > > > > > > > In article > <4bef658d$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > > > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > > >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 20:52:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an > infant? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> No. Embryos are not people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When does life begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you never have children. > > > > > > > > > > I hope he does. We'll see how his cold view of life survives that > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > Think of the children. > > > > > > Life begins when the dog dies and the kids leave home. > > > > No kidding, I can count on the kids leaving in 4 years. The dogs are > > another thing, luckily the have beagle blood in them and they may just > > run off and find new homes. > > That's ironic we're on the same timeline. My last one graduates in 4 > winters. She's getting luggage for a graduation present. The dog is 11. A guy I graduated high school with got a sleeping bag from his parents. He was a bit shocked by his parents action, the rest of us understood their reasons.
From: Jack Hollis on 17 May 2010 19:53 On Mon, 17 May 2010 05:41:37 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: >On Sun, 16 May 2010 19:48:43 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> >wrote: > >> >>First according to the Catholic Church, Last Rights are given to >>people who are still alive. >> >>Second, the person must be a baptized member of the church in the >>first place. >> >>Third, to receive Last Rights you must be of the age of reason. > >But "original sin" means everybody has sin and needs to be saved - >even newborns. The Catholic Church has a place called limbo for cases like that. I heard a while back that the church reorganized the afterlife, so I'm not sure if limbo still exists. In any case, I was just presenting the Church's position. I really don't care to defend something that I consider to be a total fantasy.
From: Howard Brazee on 17 May 2010 20:28 On Mon, 17 May 2010 06:39:22 -0700 (PDT), "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >Life begins when the grandchildren are born. I'm looking forward to >that more than I looked forward to the births of my own kids. Especially when they live relatively local, the way mine are. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 17 May 2010 20:30 On Mon, 17 May 2010 10:53:57 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: >In the Garden, God only asked man to believe one thing. Don't eat from the >fruit of the Tree. Now He asks man to believe just one thing again. >Believe what his Son accomplished on the "tree." Somehow God can't save everybody, but He can sacrifice his son, so that people who think the way the Saved people do, are forgiven. The mechanism for this isn't what I would call obvious. But it is easy to understand why people like to believe that their beliefs are right and everybody else is fooled and will be punished. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: dene on 17 May 2010 21:07
"Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message news:4qn3v5h4puiavep5kjvu5cbocu2tl3gchg(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 17 May 2010 10:53:57 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> > wrote: > > >In the Garden, God only asked man to believe one thing. Don't eat from the > >fruit of the Tree. Now He asks man to believe just one thing again. > >Believe what his Son accomplished on the "tree." > > Somehow God can't save everybody, but He can sacrifice his son, so > that people who think the way the Saved people do, are forgiven. The > mechanism for this isn't what I would call obvious. I don't make the assumption that He hasn't saved everybody...except for BK. ;> > But it is easy to understand why people like to believe that their > beliefs are right and everybody else is fooled and will be punished. Human nature. My belief and those who think like me are superior to those who don't. -Greg |