From: John B. on 17 May 2010 09:39 On May 16, 10:34 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > In article <MPG.265a6ab0bb1b43bf989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > In article <85bkjoFp1...(a)mid.individual.net>, d...(a)remove.ipns.com > > says... > > > > "BAR" <sc...(a)you.com> wrote in message > > >news:MPG.2659b75cc147c258989f46(a)news.giganews.com... > > > > In article <4befea12$0$12163$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:18:51 -0400, BAR wrote: > > > > > > In article <4bef658d$0$4863$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 20:52:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote: > > > > > > >>> Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an infant? > > > > > > >> No. Embryos are not people. > > > > > > > When does life begin? > > > > > > Birth. > > > > > I hope you never have children. > > > > I hope he does. We'll see how his cold view of life survives that > > > experience. > > > Think of the children. > > Life begins when the dog dies and the kids leave home. Life begins when the grandchildren are born. I'm looking forward to that more than I looked forward to the births of my own kids.
From: John B. on 17 May 2010 09:41 On May 17, 8:46 am, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > news:alangbaker-386852.13090316052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > > Why aren't miscarried children given last rites? > > I thought last rites were given when the person was still alive. You're right.
From: dene on 17 May 2010 13:41 "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message news:MPG.265af63fc9dff1ff989f52(a)news.giganews.com... > In article <wclark2-7ECF92.22342116052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > > > In article <MPG.265a6ab0bb1b43bf989f51(a)news.giganews.com>, > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <85bkjoFp15U1(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com > > > says... > > > > > > > > "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message > > > > news:MPG.2659b75cc147c258989f46(a)news.giganews.com... > > > > > In article <4befea12$0$12163$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:18:51 -0400, BAR wrote: > > > > > > > In article <4bef658d$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 20:52:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an infant? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> No. Embryos are not people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When does life begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth. > > > > > > > > > > I hope you never have children. > > > > > > > > I hope he does. We'll see how his cold view of life survives that > > > > experience. > > > > > > Think of the children. > > > > Life begins when the dog dies and the kids leave home. > > No kidding, I can count on the kids leaving in 4 years. The dogs are > another thing, luckily the have beagle blood in them and they may just > run off and find new homes. That's ironic we're on the same timeline. My last one graduates in 4 winters. She's getting luggage for a graduation present. The dog is 11. -Greg
From: dene on 17 May 2010 13:44 "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:2dcc3d95-441d-40e2-9a3d-2903b7c5270f(a)c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com... On May 16, 10:34 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > In article <MPG.265a6ab0bb1b43bf989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > In article <85bkjoFp1...(a)mid.individual.net>, d...(a)remove.ipns.com > > says... > > > > "BAR" <sc...(a)you.com> wrote in message > > >news:MPG.2659b75cc147c258989f46(a)news.giganews.com... > > > > In article <4befea12$0$12163$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:18:51 -0400, BAR wrote: > > > > > > In article <4bef658d$0$4863$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 20:52:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote: > > > > > > >>> Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an infant? > > > > > > >> No. Embryos are not people. > > > > > > > When does life begin? > > > > > > Birth. > > > > > I hope you never have children. > > > > I hope he does. We'll see how his cold view of life survives that > > > experience. > > > Think of the children. > > Life begins when the dog dies and the kids leave home. Life begins when the grandchildren are born. I'm looking forward to that more than I looked forward to the births of my own kids. ------------------------------------------------------------- I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, it's going to be a blast being a grandparent. On the other hand, I cannot predict my wife's maternal instinct. Will she be able to leave them behind? I have played many winter rounds with retired guys who had the means to head south. Their reason for enduring the winter? The wife can't leave the grandkids. -Greg
From: dene on 17 May 2010 13:53
"Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message news:ppa2v55d34pq2uf8sdhahmk4ijo8ec3cdl(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 16 May 2010 19:48:43 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> > wrote: > > > > >First according to the Catholic Church, Last Rights are given to > >people who are still alive. > > > >Second, the person must be a baptized member of the church in the > >first place. > > > >Third, to receive Last Rights you must be of the age of reason. > > But "original sin" means everybody has sin and needs to be saved - > even newborns. Exactly. The only people who chose sin was Adam and Eve. The only man who undid their decision was Christ. Both acts were completed, outside of mankind's choices. In the Garden, God only asked man to believe one thing. Don't eat from the fruit of the Tree. Now He asks man to believe just one thing again. Believe what his Son accomplished on the "tree." -Greg |