From: John B. on
On May 16, 10:34 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com>
wrote:
> In article <MPG.265a6ab0bb1b43bf989...(a)news.giganews.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> > In article <85bkjoFp1...(a)mid.individual.net>, d...(a)remove.ipns.com
> > says...
>
> > > "BAR" <sc...(a)you.com> wrote in message
> > >news:MPG.2659b75cc147c258989f46(a)news.giganews.com...
> > > > In article <4befea12$0$12163$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>
> > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:18:51 -0400, BAR wrote:
> > > > > > In article <4bef658d$0$4863$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > > > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> > > > > >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 20:52:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote:
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> > > > > >>> Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an infant?
>
> > > > > >> No. Embryos are not people.
>
> > > > > > When does life begin?
>
> > > > > Birth.
>
> > > > I hope you never have children.
>
> > > I hope he does.  We'll see how his cold view of life survives that
> > > experience.
>
> > Think of the children.
>
> Life begins when the dog dies and the kids leave home.

Life begins when the grandchildren are born. I'm looking forward to
that more than I looked forward to the births of my own kids.
From: John B. on
On May 17, 8:46 am, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
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> news:alangbaker-386852.13090316052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
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>
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> > Why aren't miscarried children given last rites?
>
> I thought last rites were given when the person was still alive.

You're right.
From: dene on

"BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.265af63fc9dff1ff989f52(a)news.giganews.com...
> In article <wclark2-7ECF92.22342116052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> >
> > In article <MPG.265a6ab0bb1b43bf989f51(a)news.giganews.com>,
> > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <85bkjoFp15U1(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:MPG.2659b75cc147c258989f46(a)news.giganews.com...
> > > > > In article <4befea12$0$12163$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > > > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:18:51 -0400, BAR wrote:
> > > > > > > In article
<4bef658d$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > > > > > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> > > > > > >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 20:52:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an
infant?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> No. Embryos are not people.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When does life begin?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Birth.
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope you never have children.
> > > >
> > > > I hope he does. We'll see how his cold view of life survives that
> > > > experience.
> > >
> > > Think of the children.
> >
> > Life begins when the dog dies and the kids leave home.
>
> No kidding, I can count on the kids leaving in 4 years. The dogs are
> another thing, luckily the have beagle blood in them and they may just
> run off and find new homes.

That's ironic we're on the same timeline. My last one graduates in 4
winters. She's getting luggage for a graduation present. The dog is 11.

-Greg


From: dene on

"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2dcc3d95-441d-40e2-9a3d-2903b7c5270f(a)c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
On May 16, 10:34 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com>
wrote:
> In article <MPG.265a6ab0bb1b43bf989...(a)news.giganews.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> > In article <85bkjoFp1...(a)mid.individual.net>, d...(a)remove.ipns.com
> > says...
>
> > > "BAR" <sc...(a)you.com> wrote in message
> > >news:MPG.2659b75cc147c258989f46(a)news.giganews.com...
> > > > In article <4befea12$0$12163$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>
> > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:18:51 -0400, BAR wrote:
> > > > > > In article <4bef658d$0$4863$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > > > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> > > > > >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 20:52:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote:
>
> > > > > >>> Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an
infant?
>
> > > > > >> No. Embryos are not people.
>
> > > > > > When does life begin?
>
> > > > > Birth.
>
> > > > I hope you never have children.
>
> > > I hope he does. We'll see how his cold view of life survives that
> > > experience.
>
> > Think of the children.
>
> Life begins when the dog dies and the kids leave home.

Life begins when the grandchildren are born. I'm looking forward to
that more than I looked forward to the births of my own kids.

-------------------------------------------------------------

I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, it's going to be a blast
being a grandparent. On the other hand, I cannot predict my wife's maternal
instinct. Will she be able to leave them behind?

I have played many winter rounds with retired guys who had the means to head
south. Their reason for enduring the winter? The wife can't leave the
grandkids.

-Greg


From: dene on

"Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message
news:ppa2v55d34pq2uf8sdhahmk4ijo8ec3cdl(a)4ax.com...
> On Sun, 16 May 2010 19:48:43 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >First according to the Catholic Church, Last Rights are given to
> >people who are still alive.
> >
> >Second, the person must be a baptized member of the church in the
> >first place.
> >
> >Third, to receive Last Rights you must be of the age of reason.
>
> But "original sin" means everybody has sin and needs to be saved -
> even newborns.

Exactly. The only people who chose sin was Adam and Eve. The only man who
undid their decision was Christ. Both acts were completed, outside of
mankind's choices.

In the Garden, God only asked man to believe one thing. Don't eat from the
fruit of the Tree. Now He asks man to believe just one thing again.
Believe what his Son accomplished on the "tree."

-Greg