From: BAR on 24 Feb 2010 08:01
In article <clark-5BBB5F.08573423022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> In article <MPG.25ed990a78f08341989c46(a)news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> > In article <wclark2-8DA611.19453922022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> > >
> > > More like an immensely powerful automobile lobby that has poured untold
> > > millions into squashing public transport plans all over the US. School
> > > bussing would not be necessary if there was adequate public transport
> > > everywhere.
> > >
> > When my children boarded their bus to attend their middle school they
> > passed two or three other middle schools before reaching their middle
> > school.
> > My children's cluster high school, the one the school board says they
> > have to attend, is farther in distance from my house than two other high
> > schools.
> > If you had paid any attention to the public transportation system on
> > your recent visit to the DC area you would have noticed that it is based
> > upon spoke and hub. For me to take public transportation to work it
> > would take about 1 hour and 20 minutes. This would involve a bus ride, a
> > subway ride and another bus ride. The same trip in a car can take 20
> > minutes. The distance is 11.5 miles.
> I used to work in central London, and lived 12 miles to the south. My
> train commute was fifteen minutes, and door to door was a total of
> twenty. That is public transport.
> The DC public transport system is irrelevant here, since it closes down
> at the sight of a snowflake.
We here have what we call the American Dream. Live where you want, work
where you want and do what you want. We don't live our lives based upon
what services the government sees fit to grant us from our own money.
The Washington Metro Area Transit Authority (WMATA) or Metro is
comprised of the District of Columbia, and various counties in Maryland
and Virginia. They can't put a paper clip on a stack of paper without
From: BAR on 24 Feb 2010 08:08
In article <7u68o55l5d33unjet9gaiukhf6v8oqhnrd(a)4ax.com>, donsno2
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:11:07 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> >In article <mub3o51s96r7a7hkq5pq6dcs687sfkrlaq(a)4ax.com>, donsno2
> >@charter.net says...
> >> In an absolute sense, perhaps, but in the real world not so much. Not
> >> everyone who donates does from the heart or the tax codes wouldn't be
> >> so full of deductions and special cuts, nor would churches have
> >> imposed taxes (pew rent and tithes) on their parishioners in former
> >> times, not is it true that the government *does* take taxes at the
> >> point of a gun--that's as much an exaggeration as that everyone who
> >> donates does it altruistically.
> >The government has enacted laws to collect the taxes by force if you do
> >not pay them.
> >> The Founders obviously felt that tax-provided services and
> >> conveniences (roads, postal services, education, poor houses,
> >> hospitals) were important to the goal of providing a more perfect
> >> union. Sorry if you feel otherwise.
> >How much of your property are you willing to give to the government each
> I pay my allotted amount, which is none of your business, and I do it
> willingly because I enjoy roads, parks, hospitals, schools, and other
> amenities that none but the extremely wealthy are able to provide for
> themselves. I also willingly help reduce the effect of poverty,
> social injustices, and plain random events on other members of
Do you really think I care about the dollar amount you pay in taxes each
year. How about a percentage.
You pay your allotted amount? What percentage of your income is your
allotted amount. Mine is near 50% of my income. I do this begrudgingly
because I feel that paying that much in taxes is a rip-off. Why do
governments keep raising the amount they take every year above and
beyond inflation? It seems that the government should over time become
more efficient and be able to do more with less.
I too give generously of my wealth to charitable organizations each
From: BAR on 24 Feb 2010 08:15
In article <hb78o512h6kdloe1ritoj09i1ej6p8e4qd(a)4ax.com>, donsno2
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:29:32 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> >The last time I earned minimum wage was when I was 16. And, even before
> >I turned 17 I started working for the USDA writing COBOL code making
> >above minimum wage as a GS-1. That was 32 freaking years ago, I am ready
> >to retire.
> So at least for part of your life you lived off other people's taxes,
> and that's built into your retirement plan?
I worked for USDA for three years, when I was 17, 18 and 19 years old. I
have no government retirement. When I left there was only about $730 in
my retirement account and I used that money to pay off a car loan. I was
never going to work for the government again.
What I saw when I worked at the USDA was sickening. Incompetent people
everywhere. Waste, fraud and abuse of taxpayers money. Three were a few
good people, you could count the good people on one hand.
This should dispel you of the myth about me having a government
My retirement is all me. No company retirement, no government
retirement. It is all me, and I like it that way.
From: BAR on 24 Feb 2010 08:17
In article <i5v8o5pmrpglnvu7t2j7ur67n3hu3dd95s(a)4ax.com>,
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:12:49 -0800, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com>
> >I agree with your first statement. Never said the 2nd statement. However,
> >I think a significant portion of working, uninsured Americans can afford
> >basic health insurance.
> About 43% of the uninsured could afford insurance if they wanted it.
Where is the problem? It isn't with the insurance companies. It isn't
with the doctors. It isn't with the hospitals. It isn't with the
The problem is with the deadbeats who should be paying for the health
care they receive. And, if they don't they should be thrown into jail.
From: William Clark on 24 Feb 2010 09:01
In article <MPG.25eee780e2e3dd1a989c4e(a)news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> In article <clark-F4D238.17371623022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> > > > What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more by
> > > > the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life.
> > >
> > > The stats are bogus anyways, as are most politically based stats. The
> > > costs stats don' t include the cost of the system and the cost of
> > > governance associated with that, only the cost of the "care". The life
> > > expectancy stats don't include everybody in places like France, and
> > > don't include the fact that the US is a gathering place of people from
> > > around the world, whereas France is for French only, and not too many
> > > other people want to go there. Funny that an alien in the US is
> > > failing to account for this. I wonder though, if Americans treated
> > > Mexicans the way the French treat Algerians, or the way the Italians
> > > treat North Africans, would the outcry not be deafening?
> > What total apologist BS. Are you nuts?
> The US is the largest heterogeneous society in the world. One would have
> to expect some effects of genetic and cultural influences upon the
> things such as life expectancy.
This just gets better and better!