From: bknight on
On Wed, 12 May 2010 16:20:59 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com>
wrote:

>
><bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message
>news:ovbmu5t8u745jahoq0bn9tgmgc6o36olps(a)4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 12 May 2010 15:42:57 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message
>> >news:MPG.2654f5687cd1fd30989eec(a)news.giganews.com...
>> >> In article <c1a93baa-25df-4744-b08d-3f00e8c59d43
>> >> @s29g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says...
>>
>> >> > Are you suggesting that the people in this NG have the power to solve
>> >> > problems?
>> >>
>> >> Yes.
>> >
>> >The ones who vote do.
>> >
>> >-Greg
>> >
>> So you think that RSG is a possible power of change?
>> To quote Baker.....LOL
>>
>> BK
>
>RSG is a discussion group. Occasionally, the discussion is enlightening and
>consequently could affect my vote.
>
>-Greg

I anxiously await anyone here saying that a discussion has affected
(changed) a vote of theirs. I promise that I will.

BK

>
From: Howard Brazee on
On Wed, 12 May 2010 18:32:33 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

>Are you carrying your green card, US Federal law requires that you have
>it on your person all of the time.


Lots of citizens will be asked for proof that they are here legally.
Do I need to carry proof of citizenship if I visit Arizona?

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
From: William Clark on
In article <MPG.2654f6b825c43777989eef(a)news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

> In article <clark-100BA7.16465212052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> >
> > In article <MPG.2653ba45398c488e989eda(a)news.giganews.com>,
> > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <wclark2-8CAE1E.19521511052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> > > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> > > >
> > > > In article <84to04FsbmU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> > > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in
> > > > > message
> > > > > news:clark-0EE06F.13513011052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Increased incarceration rates are one of many factors that have
> > > > > > > lowered the crime rate. It's not even the principal one.
> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Name the other factors.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Greg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Increased investment in policing. Duh.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bad guys were being caught. That was never the issue, especially
> > > > > since
> > > > > most
> > > > > criminals are pretty dumb. The problem is that they were having
> > > > > their
> > > > > hands
> > > > > slapped in the name of probation or parole and released.
> > > > >
> > > > > Duh.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Greg
> > > >
> > > > It was always the issue. Once you put a greater police presence on the
> > > > ground you a) catch the bad guys, and b) drive them out of the area.
> > > > Incarceration in the US system is proven to be neither a deterrent nor
> > > > reforming.
> > >
> > > Where do you "b) drive them out of the area" to? Aren't you just making
> > > them someone else's problem rather than actually fixing the problem?
> >
> > No, in many cases you persuade them that conducting illegal business is
> > no longer worth the risk, so they take early retirement.
>
> Criminals don't retire.

Just how stupid a remark is that? It is dumb, even by your standards.
From: William Clark on
In article <MPG.2654f690e8450857989eee(a)news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

> In article <clark-BBECED.16531312052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> >
> > In article <MPG.2653b9f68d912acd989ed9(a)news.giganews.com>,
> > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <wclark2-552823.19492411052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> > > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> > > > > > > No, I said we should tattoo those caught here as illegal aliens
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > deport them. The scarlet letter has its uses.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why not just tattoo a number on their arms and then send them to
> > > > > > extermination camps? Oh, wait, someone else tried that, didn't
> > > > > > they?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you carry your green card with you at all times. It is US federal
> > > > > law.
> > > >
> > > > So you do think the "camps" are a good idea. What a real charmer.
> > >
> > > Become a citizen and then get the law changed.
> >
> > When all else fails, use the "foreigners out" hysteria.
> >
> > How pathetic.
>
> Are you carrying your green card, US Federal law requires that you have
> it on your person all of the time.

How pathetic. Are you really sure I even need a green card?
From: bknight on
On Wed, 12 May 2010 16:33:27 -0700, Loudon Briggs <larebe(a)bbz.net>
wrote:


>I think you're all confused to some degree.
>
>If the person is charged with illegal entry only, they are NOT sent to
>trial... they are turned over to U.S. Customs and get a "hearing,"
>which is totally different from a trial. The normal result is
>deportation.

You're entirely correct Loudon. The discussion wavers between
illegal aliens and illegal aliens committing crimes.
>
>If they commit some other crime and are caught, they go to trial,
>resulting in deportation or prison, usually dependent upon the
>severity of the crime. Unfortunately, deportation does little to
>exacerbate the situation... there are some who have been deported a
>dozen times and returned illegally.

Either way they still have rights, and that was the issue in this
particular part of the thread.
>
>I live in Arizona and probably understand the situation a bit better
>than most of you who speak as experts and display your "holier than
>thou" personalities. It's a condition brought about by the inaction of
>the Federal Government... mainly Congressmen from YOUR state, who do
>not have to confront the problem on a regular basis.
>
>Get a copy of the law and read it... if interested, Google S.B. 1070
>and learn something! Then you might have some comprehension of what
>you're talking about... then you might agree with me, or... maybe not!

For one, I have no problem with S.B. 1070. I do have some misgivings
about how it will be perceived and enacted by the police. Surely they
don't have orders to shoot on sight. :-)
BK