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From: dene on 3 Mar 2010 14:50 "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-5337CB.10510803032010(a)news.shawcable.com... > In article <7v7jv6Fh45U1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > > news:clark-8D24D2.09530403032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > In article <MPG.25f8312054bcd8d6989ca0(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <clark-6883CE.08091703032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > > > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > > > > Do you know how much of your medical expenses car insurance will > > cover? > > > > > > > Thank you. But, for the benefit of the hard of thinking, let's > > call it > > > > > > > getting hit by falling masonry while walking in the street. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There. Got it now? > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine. If there is no liability insurance to cover the accident > > first, > > > > > > then > > > > > > one's health insurance will take over. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't have it, get it. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > > > > > Provided you can afford it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Provided they are willing to give up unnecessary luxuries. > > > > > > Indeed, I go down to the east side of Columbus and work with single > > > parent families whose homes are loaded with "unnecessary luxuries", like > > > Ramen Noodles and such. > > > > > > You're a bigoted idiot. > > > > If true, they are on medicaid, aren't they? They are also receiving food > > stamps and housing allowances. So why are they *choosing* to eat Ramen > > Noodles? > > > > Laziness?? > > > > -Greg > > You think there's no group of people who earn too much to be on > medicaid, but too little to afford their own health insurance? I do believe they are there and deserve assistance, especially the laid off/unemployed. Qualifying for food stamps is easier than qualifying for medicaid. Given this, subsiding on Ramen Noodles is a choice. -Greg
From: John B. on 3 Mar 2010 15:17 On Mar 3, 2:47 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:fc212a08-1a9f-4bfd-925d-9337db1846a7(a)c16g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 3, 12:15 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:93ab7a2a-fafa-42bc-bc74-47be505432f9(a)k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com.... > > On Mar 2, 11:50 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > >news:711d6763-3971-41b3-b79b-1636697472bb(a)g26g2000yqn.googlegroups.com.... > > > On Mar 2, 8:32 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:36:47 -0800, dene wrote: > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message > > > > > news:2a75a43d-ed86-4ff6-bb4a- > > > > > eb741ca85...(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > > > > >> On Mar 2, 12:09 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>> wrote: > > > > >>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message > > > > > >>>> There are also plenty of people out there who CAN'T afford health > > > > >>>> insurance. But according to you and Bert, et al, they're all the > > > > >>>> victims of their own "bad choices," right? > > > > > >>> Cite where I said that, John. I specifically defined those who are > > > > >>> stealing. In your mind, is there any distinctions between a > slacker, > > > > >>> an illegal, and the unemployed or are all the ininsured "victims"? > > > > > >> Of course there's a difference. But I don't know what the ratio is > of > > > > >> "slackers" to people who genuinely can't afford health insurance > and > > > > >> neither do you. There are those in your camp who claim there is NO > > > > >> ONE who can't afford health insurance. I wonder what world they > live > > > > >> in. > > > > > > I'm glad you are acknowledging there are slackers out there. > > > > > Now....just what do you propose should be done with them to include > > > > > them among the insured pool? > > > > > Of course there are slackers. But there are also millions of families > > > > suffering because of the current system. Some just can't afford > > > > insurance. Some lose their jobs and can't afford Cobra. Some face > > > > skyrocketing premiums if they develop potentially expensive illnesses, > > > > and some are simply dropped altogether. It goes on and on. People want > > > > change, and I hope they get it. This is a travesty. > > > > Just for the fun of it, I filled out an on-line questionnaire to get > > > some insurance quotes. Turns out I can get private insurance for my > > > family for as little as $221/month. Just a couple of minor > > > inconveniences, though: there's a $10,000 deductible and office visits > > > are not covered. I got a list of 82 quotes, the most expensive being > > > over $3,000/month. Even that had a deductible of $1750. And we have no > > > significant health issues in our family. You're goddamn right it's a > > > travesty. Insurance may be affordable, just as long as you don't want > > > it to actually cover anything. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Big wahhhh! > > > > I'm paying over $700/mo. to cover my family with a $3000 deductible > plan. > > > $3000 is a drop in the bucket compared to the hospital bill. > > > > Your sense of entitlement is shining through again, John. By chance, do > > you > > > work for the government? > > > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > So what if you're paying $700/month? If you can do it, then everybody > > else can, too? Is this really your idea of an intelligent argument? I > > have no sense of entitlement. I don't feel that I'm "entitled" to > > anything. And, no, I don't work for the government (anymore). > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > The days of you or I paying less than $500/mo. for a zero deductible, > co-pay > > plan are over. All present and future plans will have deductibles, > > requiring us to pony up for the "small" stuff, using the insurance to pay > > for the big stuff. > > > That's the real world. Chevy's instead of Cadillacs. > > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Right, and they will continue to cost more and more and provide less > and less. This is the system you're defending? > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > I've offered ideas that will reform the situation you describe. Your ideas > have yet to be revealed. Anybody can quote rhetoric. Offering solutions is > what counts. > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Your ideas consist entirely of punitive measures aimed at "slackers." I have told you what I think should be done and you've responded. So you are wrong to say my ideas have yet to be revealed.
From: William Clark on 3 Mar 2010 15:49 In article <alangbaker-5337CB.10510803032010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article <7v7jv6Fh45U1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > > news:clark-8D24D2.09530403032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > In article <MPG.25f8312054bcd8d6989ca0(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <clark-6883CE.08091703032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > > > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > > > > Do you know how much of your medical expenses car insurance will > > cover? > > > > > > > Thank you. But, for the benefit of the hard of thinking, let's > > call it > > > > > > > getting hit by falling masonry while walking in the street. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There. Got it now? > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine. If there is no liability insurance to cover the accident > > first, > > > > > > then > > > > > > one's health insurance will take over. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't have it, get it. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > > > > > Provided you can afford it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Provided they are willing to give up unnecessary luxuries. > > > > > > Indeed, I go down to the east side of Columbus and work with single > > > parent families whose homes are loaded with "unnecessary luxuries", like > > > Ramen Noodles and such. > > > > > > You're a bigoted idiot. > > > > If true, they are on medicaid, aren't they? They are also receiving food > > stamps and housing allowances. So why are they *choosing* to eat Ramen > > Noodles? > > > > Laziness?? > > > > -Greg > > You think there's no group of people who earn too much to be on > medicaid, but too little to afford their own health insurance? Thank you. I fear you are casting pearls before swine, however.
From: William Clark on 3 Mar 2010 15:51 In article <7v7k3sFhsdU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4b8dee9d$0$4891$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:55:08 -0800, dene wrote: > > > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > > news:4b8dbd26$0$4858$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > >> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:42:13 -0800, John B. wrote: > > >> > > >>> In the UK, you may wait for months for elective surgery. If you need > > >>> urgent care, you get it right away. > > >> > > >> Same with Canada. > > > > > > Nice system. A person is in pain, needing a hip or knee replacement, > > > waits months for the surgery. In the meantime, just sock them full of > > > vicodin and watch tv.. > > > > > > I may pay more but it's worth it. > > > > It really isn't. Canada provides healthcare to all its citizens at 2/3 > > the cost of the US system. The system obviously works better, because > > your CIA world fact book says the average life expectancy in Canada is > > more than three years greater than in the US. Similar lifestyle and > > culture. Hmm, I wonder what could account for this amazing difference... > > We've covered this. The US has a more diverse society than Canada. The > life expectancy is related to people's personal choices (obesity) than it is > with health care. > > -Greg You have, and it is still total and absolute BS. The 49 countries with life expectancies longer than the US represent all parts of the genetic tree. Which ethnic component of the US population is responsible for pulling its figures down? Think carefully before you answer.
From: Jack Hollis on 3 Mar 2010 16:15
On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:04:35 -0600, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: >>Businessmen are smarter than politicians. > >George Bush was a businessman. True, but he was smart enough to get himself elected president twice. He was also smart enough to know that it's businessmen who made the US the richest and most powerful nation on earth and it's best to leave them alone. |